....but I am quickly sneaking on here at work and don't have time to do a thorough search!!
Do we need to submit more evidence (tax returns etc etc etc) with the N400 or is the N400 itself all that is required?
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Hi Haggischomper
Yes you need to submit evidence that you are still in the original marriage, so tax transcripts and evidence of joint finances just like you sent for the removal of conditions.
Yes you need to submit evidence that you are still in the original marriage, so tax transcripts and evidence of joint finances just like you sent for the removal of conditions.
USCIS has a checklist for N-400 here: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/men...00048f3d6a1RCRD
When you're dealing with USCIS, there's NEVER any applications that don't require extra documentation.
For the N-400, you will need to include:
1. Birth certificate of US citizen spouse.
2. Current marriage certificate.
3. Proof of termination of all prior marriages of your spouse and yourself.
4. IRS tax return transcripts for last 3 years.
For the N-400, you will need to include:
1. Birth certificate of US citizen spouse.
2. Current marriage certificate.
3. Proof of termination of all prior marriages of your spouse and yourself.
4. IRS tax return transcripts for last 3 years.
Thanks folks! I appreciate it.
And now....back to my work!
And now....back to my work!
N-400 instructions are not complete in this and several other aspects.
Download the Guide to Naturalization at
www.uscis.gov/files/article/M-476.pdf
and read it to properly fill out your N-400 and supply all of the required information. Like starting over from scratch all over again. We accumulated over a half inch stack of personal information printed on both sides, made me wonder with what they done to all the other stuff we sent. Same old stuff all over again. Ha, another 450 mile drive next Wednesday for the third set of fingerprints.
Download the Guide to Naturalization at
www.uscis.gov/files/article/M-476.pdf
and read it to properly fill out your N-400 and supply all of the required information. Like starting over from scratch all over again. We accumulated over a half inch stack of personal information printed on both sides, made me wonder with what they done to all the other stuff we sent. Same old stuff all over again. Ha, another 450 mile drive next Wednesday for the third set of fingerprints.
The first piece of evidence the M-476 calls for is a copy of the front and back of your green card, and of course it must be valid, wonder if the people at the N-400 have any knowledge of what we had to go through to get that card?
Since I already had my I-130, my wife's I-485, and both of our G-325A's, and the I-751 on my computer, filling out about 99% of the N-400 was a copy and paste operation, see what I mean about the same old stuff?
Seems like just typing the alien and I-751 numbers on the new green card should have been enough evidence and that N-400 could be shortened from ten pages down to less than two. No wonder why they are delays, too much repetition. To expedite our I-751, I sent all updated purchases and our 2007 joint tax return just a month ago to prove that we still are living together. Resent that plus all the stuff for the initial and the I-751, again.
Since I already had my I-130, my wife's I-485, and both of our G-325A's, and the I-751 on my computer, filling out about 99% of the N-400 was a copy and paste operation, see what I mean about the same old stuff?
Seems like just typing the alien and I-751 numbers on the new green card should have been enough evidence and that N-400 could be shortened from ten pages down to less than two. No wonder why they are delays, too much repetition. To expedite our I-751, I sent all updated purchases and our 2007 joint tax return just a month ago to prove that we still are living together. Resent that plus all the stuff for the initial and the I-751, again.
QUOTE(NickD @ May 1 2008, 06:05 PM) 
The first piece of evidence the M-476 calls for is a copy of the front and back of your green card, and of course it must be valid, wonder if the people at the N-400 have any knowledge of what we had to go through to get that card?
Since I already had my I-130, my wife's I-485, and both of our G-325A's, and the I-751 on my computer, filling out about 99% of the N-400 was a copy and paste operation, see what I mean about the same old stuff?
Seems like just typing the alien and I-751 numbers on the new green card should have been enough evidence and that N-400 could be shortened from ten pages down to less than two. No wonder why they are delays, too much repetition. To expedite our I-751, I sent all updated purchases and our 2007 joint tax return just a month ago to prove that we still are living together. Resent that plus all the stuff for the initial and the I-751, again.
Since I already had my I-130, my wife's I-485, and both of our G-325A's, and the I-751 on my computer, filling out about 99% of the N-400 was a copy and paste operation, see what I mean about the same old stuff?
Seems like just typing the alien and I-751 numbers on the new green card should have been enough evidence and that N-400 could be shortened from ten pages down to less than two. No wonder why they are delays, too much repetition. To expedite our I-751, I sent all updated purchases and our 2007 joint tax return just a month ago to prove that we still are living together. Resent that plus all the stuff for the initial and the I-751, again.
SUCKS! USCIS is always talking cut down on paperwork!
How about just getting rid of the I-751 and just going for citizenship???
Nah! They must want the extra application fees.
In 1995, while driving, this idiot pulls out in front of in in a no passing zone and within a fraction of a second was really banged up good. That was the easy part, ex-wife gets a man hating attorney and applies for a divorce the next day, didn't think I could support her expensive life style anymore. Her attorney requests a tax audit on me plus I had my own accident claim to deal with.
Never met so many white collar crooks in my life, people that earn a darn good living off the victims of an accident, divorce, and a tax audit all at the same time. Seems like if a guy wants to make money buy marrying immigrants to bring them into this country we would have to do the same thing, deal constantly with these white collar crooks.
With the accident had my own good medical insurance and automotive medical coverage for all my medical bills, but their attorneys showed up and got my claim money right off the top for all those medical expenses, after other legal fees, didn't have enough money left over to buy a cup of coffee. So much for getting rich from an accident.
With the tax audit that dragged on for almost two years, paid a buck extra too much and a buck short too little, but still cost me $5,000.00 in legal and accounting fees. Seems like if the IRS makes false claims they should be liable.
With the divorce, our remaining three kids told the court they wanted to stay with me, still assigned attorneys for each of them that added another ten grand to the cost. I got my kids, ex got half of everything else, that put me deep in debt. It doesn't take long to realize that a judge is an ex-attorney and their is a strong brotherhood among these guys, you may think they are fighting for you in court, but after court, go to a bar, drink together and laugh it off at your expense.
To make marrying immigrants profitable for a living, would have to be an attorney in that brotherhood, should be number one suspects on the USCIS list, not sure how even an average person with all these new FBI checks, all the public access on court records could even start to make a business by marrying immigrants. But somehow, we all are suspect and have to prove our innocence. I wasn't even aware of this when I married my wife and have to say, was a lot more careful this time than the first time. Have to say, this is really the first time I am truly in love, it's a wonderful experience.
My bad experience with attorneys taught me how to find a good one, did for our immigration proceedings, had a flat rate contract already written up before we started where if he made any errors would be liable. After my bad experience with the IRS wasn't really to deal with more governmental agencies, paid him for that, everything went smooth and was happy to write out his check.
So why the two year conditional card, somehow that provision slipped through the cracks, read about the history of this, with that 50K limit on immigration imposed in 1986, the marriage provision let millions in, so the INS says. Two things were done, first an FBI and a records check, then later the I-751, while applications reduced to more like 150K per year, seems like the record and FBI checks should have been enough, talk about an overkill.
Plus if you read between the lines of the I-751, just all kinds of loopholes. And why not a three year conditional card if the USCIS wants to maintain a paranoid attitude with the option of getting US citizenship or that ten year card that use to be a life time card?
Our first stack of proof was over an inch tall and wonder still today since the USCIS has Spanish speaking lines, why I had to pay a small fortune to get all of my wife's and daughters documents translated into English by a certified translator at fifty bucks a page? I don't read Spanish, but could easily interpret what these forms said. And ha, if our government gives amnesty to these 20 million illegals, will we get a refund?
Seems like we should get some benefit of the doubt since all of us here are trying to do everything legally, if not, we would have never send in all those applications. I tried doing a web search on how effective the I-751 is for catching bad guys, couldn't find anything, our congress creates agencies, these agencies generate their own rules, and nothing is done afterwards to learn if these rules are really effective or not.
But we end up paying the price. Only thing I can say, whatever the price, my wife is worth it.
Never met so many white collar crooks in my life, people that earn a darn good living off the victims of an accident, divorce, and a tax audit all at the same time. Seems like if a guy wants to make money buy marrying immigrants to bring them into this country we would have to do the same thing, deal constantly with these white collar crooks.
With the accident had my own good medical insurance and automotive medical coverage for all my medical bills, but their attorneys showed up and got my claim money right off the top for all those medical expenses, after other legal fees, didn't have enough money left over to buy a cup of coffee. So much for getting rich from an accident.
With the tax audit that dragged on for almost two years, paid a buck extra too much and a buck short too little, but still cost me $5,000.00 in legal and accounting fees. Seems like if the IRS makes false claims they should be liable.
With the divorce, our remaining three kids told the court they wanted to stay with me, still assigned attorneys for each of them that added another ten grand to the cost. I got my kids, ex got half of everything else, that put me deep in debt. It doesn't take long to realize that a judge is an ex-attorney and their is a strong brotherhood among these guys, you may think they are fighting for you in court, but after court, go to a bar, drink together and laugh it off at your expense.
To make marrying immigrants profitable for a living, would have to be an attorney in that brotherhood, should be number one suspects on the USCIS list, not sure how even an average person with all these new FBI checks, all the public access on court records could even start to make a business by marrying immigrants. But somehow, we all are suspect and have to prove our innocence. I wasn't even aware of this when I married my wife and have to say, was a lot more careful this time than the first time. Have to say, this is really the first time I am truly in love, it's a wonderful experience.
My bad experience with attorneys taught me how to find a good one, did for our immigration proceedings, had a flat rate contract already written up before we started where if he made any errors would be liable. After my bad experience with the IRS wasn't really to deal with more governmental agencies, paid him for that, everything went smooth and was happy to write out his check.
So why the two year conditional card, somehow that provision slipped through the cracks, read about the history of this, with that 50K limit on immigration imposed in 1986, the marriage provision let millions in, so the INS says. Two things were done, first an FBI and a records check, then later the I-751, while applications reduced to more like 150K per year, seems like the record and FBI checks should have been enough, talk about an overkill.
Plus if you read between the lines of the I-751, just all kinds of loopholes. And why not a three year conditional card if the USCIS wants to maintain a paranoid attitude with the option of getting US citizenship or that ten year card that use to be a life time card?
Our first stack of proof was over an inch tall and wonder still today since the USCIS has Spanish speaking lines, why I had to pay a small fortune to get all of my wife's and daughters documents translated into English by a certified translator at fifty bucks a page? I don't read Spanish, but could easily interpret what these forms said. And ha, if our government gives amnesty to these 20 million illegals, will we get a refund?
Seems like we should get some benefit of the doubt since all of us here are trying to do everything legally, if not, we would have never send in all those applications. I tried doing a web search on how effective the I-751 is for catching bad guys, couldn't find anything, our congress creates agencies, these agencies generate their own rules, and nothing is done afterwards to learn if these rules are really effective or not.
But we end up paying the price. Only thing I can say, whatever the price, my wife is worth it.
Hi every one, I just started preparing for filing N400, base on 3 Yr marriage to US citizen. This list looks much simpler than what we need to prepare for removal of conditions. Just want to ask whether this is all we need, or this is the base line, we need to add on more detailed materials (I had about half-inch supporting materials for removal of conditions)?
Thanks a lot!
Thanks a lot!
QUOTE(raymaga @ Apr 30 2008, 07:46 AM)
When you're dealing with USCIS, there's NEVER any applications that don't require extra documentation.
For the N-400, you will need to include:
1. Birth certificate of US citizen spouse.
2. Current marriage certificate.
3. Proof of termination of all prior marriages of your spouse and yourself.
4. IRS tax return transcripts for last 3 years.
For the N-400, you will need to include:
1. Birth certificate of US citizen spouse.
2. Current marriage certificate.
3. Proof of termination of all prior marriages of your spouse and yourself.
4. IRS tax return transcripts for last 3 years.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that instead of the birth certificate of the US spouse, you can have just a photocopy of his/her passport.
QUOTE(lespoir fait vivre @ May 5 2008, 02:57 PM)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that instead of the birth certificate of the US spouse, you can have just a photocopy of his/her passport.
Since I had my copy machine all tuned up with a new toner cartridge installed, sent them both my birth certificate and passport, plus copies of my wife's and my current photo ID driver's license and SS cards. And even tossed on my photo ID veterans card that took not only other proof but my complete military records to get. Laid a whole bunch of these cards on the glass and hit the button. That way they know we still live together and had to prove to other state and federal agencies we are who we say we are.
Still say all they needed was a copy of her latest green card, isn't it the same USCIS that requested tons of documentation just to get this card, and not once, but twice that does the N-400?
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