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Mickitwin
Hi~

I just got back from a 10 day trip to see my sweetie! While there he had his medical which went smoothly.

We now have a dilemna --his mother passed away recently and we were sitting there one night wondering what to do with Whisper the cat now. We really don't want to give him away and his sister has a cat already and they don't get along. So my question is has anyone brought a pet with them and what was involved in the process. I've looked up on the US Customs website and it seems straightforward as long as he has his shots and is healthy. I just wanted to get an idea of how to travel with them, etc...

Thanks
Micki
Poiteen
Jeraly's planning on bringing her cat, maybe she'll know what's needed etc. star_smile.gif
pucklechurch
Yes.
I flew over with Henley a couple of years back. He had his shots and got a clean bill of health and his pet passport from our local vet in Oxford.
I phoned up United Airlines and they booked me a seat and Henley as 'excess baggage'. When I got to Heathrow I checked in and then checked him in at the excess baggage counter and he was taken away to be screened by security and I went through airside. When I boarded the plane Henley was already in there, I half expected him to be on his second complimentary champagne and being doted on by the female cabin crew but he was still in his Sherpa bag looking a bit nervous. He then sat on my lap in the bag for the flight to Chicago and upon arrival I showed my documentation and his pet passport without any problem, then had to carry him from T5 to T1 for another flight to Kansas City. The only major problem was the security at Chicago's T1 where I had to take him out of the Sherpa bag and walk with him through screening. He dug his claws into me and had a bit of a angry miaow!!
It was a certainty that my wife and I wanted Henley with us but I wouldn't look foward to travelling with pets again.
*julez*
Also, you can check with Mags who brought over 2 cats about a year and a half ago. She had a pretty detailed write up about it but I just can't seem to find it for you!
Mickitwin
Thanks for the info! I looked up on BA and they will fly them as cargo which might be a little easier than in plane. I could just picture him meowing and driving everyone crazy. It seems a lot easier than years ago when you had to quarantine your pets for soooo long!

Thanks again guys!
Eli the Barrowboy
We are bringing our dog over. It's a real pain to be honest - rabies shots, blood tests, passport, etc etc etc.

Plus, there is an animal embargo in place from May to September on US airlines as it gets too hot to have the dog sitting on the tarmac while the plane taxis.

We might have to fly to JFK and drive over to Oregon or shove the poor wee thing into a dog cage that fits under the seat in front. He's a Dachshund so he'll fit in the cage but he'll bark all the way no doubt.

Just adds to the already huge stress ... oh well.

R
Poiteen
Yay, Road trip!!! star_smile.gif

I love road trips, you should do it just for the fun!!

Course why do they think it'd be kinder to have a dog couped up in a car for weeks on end than on the tarmac for an hour or two? doesn't make sense blink.gif
redkitty
I brought my dog over from San Francisco in 2006 and she is now returning home with me this summer. We are flying home on Virgin and there is no heat embargo for any of Virgin's destinations (I just confirmed this on Friday). It was much more time consuming to fly her into the UK. Flying back to the US is much easier, but just as expensive! (£975 one way to fly back to SF!)

You will have a much easier time with a cat, and way less money!
Eli the Barrowboy
QUOTE(redkitty @ Apr 22 2008, 09:31 AM) *
You will have a much easier time with a cat, and way less money!


Say Hello to my, errr, cat!!!

Eli the Barrowboy
Thanks for the Virgin tip redkitty,

I'm going to go to London to fly to JFK to get the EAD as if I go through Dublin I get stamped there and no EAD.

I might bring him over as we are doing Virgin anyway, then fly virgin to SFO and take a road trip from there to Eugene, OR.

Pricey business isn't it?

R

Poiteen
laughing.gif @ your cat

Virgin don't fly out of Dublin anyway, so it wouldn't be an option good.gif

By the way, I know you only need a one way, but I've noticed that with virgin it's almost always cheaper to book return and and not use it than buy a one way.
redkitty
LOL! I was talking about Micki's cat!

Yup, I'm having to buy a r/t ticket on Virgin. I want to fly with my furry mutt so trying to find a cheaper ticket on another airline just isn't an option. This is the last time I'm moving out of the country until we retire in Spain! tongue.gif
Mags
QUOTE(julezabelle @ Apr 21 2008, 05:09 PM) *
Also, you can check with Mags who brought over 2 cats about a year and a half ago. She had a pretty detailed write up about it but I just can't seem to find it for you!


I'll dig it out for you! biggrin.gif (see below)


QUOTE(Mickitwin @ Apr 21 2008, 08:50 PM) *
Thanks for the info! I looked up on BA and they will fly them as cargo which might be a little easier than in plane. I could just picture him meowing and driving everyone crazy. It seems a lot easier than years ago when you had to quarantine your pets for soooo long!

Thanks again guys!


Seriously, in-cabin is way better. Less noisy, better temperature, and you're there to reassure the animal. I took 2 in cabin and I highly recommend it. good.gif


Okay, here is a piece I wrote about my experience, a couple of years ago:


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Many of you will know that I brought my two cats with me from the UK last year. After some major panic attacks about the lack of information out there regarding it, it actually went incredibly smoothly in the end.

First of all, I brought my cats over in Sherpa carriers, which are airline approved. They fit (just) under the seat in front of you and come with a little faux sheepskin blanket to keep the pets warm and cosy. They are of very solid construction, have two access points; one at the front for you to get your pet in and out, the other is a smaller opening which enables you to put your hand in to pat the animal without an increased risk of the animal getting out!

I got mine from Pet Planet, in the UK.

http://www.petplanet.co.uk/search_adv.asp?mscssid=

The carriers do come in different sizes, so check with the airline before buying what their approved dimensions are.

I flew with Delta, who allow up to two animals to fly in the economy cabin, per flight. This is a pre-arranged agreement. You MUST book it with them at the time of your flight. If there are already 2 animals on board you will have to fly on another day, or make additional arrangements. You are only allowed one pet per person aswell. If you have more than one animal and it is only you flying, the animals will have to fly in the luggage hold.

With Delta you actually pay at the airport for the pets, not at the time of booking. It was $30 per animal, which I thought was very reasonable.

Delta don't actually require that in-cabin pets have a "fit to fly" certificate signed by your veterinarian, but I got one done anyway. I phoned them 3 times and got three different answers, so to be safe I got the certificate anyway. To be valid it has to have been done within 10 days of flying (5 for some other airlines). The vet is really only checking for communicable diseases and heart problems. If your pet has heart problems there is a very high chance that it will not be allowed to travel.

Vaccinations for rabies (if flying from the UK) are not required for entry into the USA. There is alot of misleading information around regarding this and it is something that took me over a month to get a definitive answer for.

I eventually spoke to the agency responsible for imported domestic animals and the State Veterinarian, they both confirmed that felines DO NOT need to be vaccinated against Rabies to enter the United States if flying from the UK. What they DO need, is to be vaccinated once you have moved into your new home.

Regulations vary from state to state, so an appointment with your vet once you arrive is something that must be arranged.

Here are the emails I sent and received from the CDC/NCID confirming the above:

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:
I have been referred to you by Catherine Smith at APHIS regarding bringing my cats into the USA. I will be entering the USA in November on a visa. I would like to bring my 2 cats with me but have recently found out that the Rabies vaccinations and subsequent blood tests will take over 8 weeks. This does not fit into my time frame.

As I come from a Rabies free country (UK) can I bring my cats over and get the vaccinations done once I am over there in the USA? They are indoor cats and are up to date with all other vaccinations and are microchipped.

Any help you can provide will be very much appreciated. Current information available is very confusing!

Many thanks for your time.


QUOTE
:
Dear Ms. XXXXX,
We are glad to reassure you that there is no quarantine for cats entering the United States, nor are there entry requirements for rabies vaccinations, microchips, or health certificates. Cats are subject to examination at the port of entry to rule out any zoonotic diseases (diseases that can be transmitted to humans) and may require veterinary medical examination, treatment, and/or quarantine if they appear ill.

Although cats are not subject to rabies vaccination regulations, once they have entered the country all pet cats are also subject to state and local vaccination requirements, links to which are found at this website:

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/sregs/

Also you should inquire of your air carrier about any requirements they may have for your animals during transit.

We hope this information is helpful.

Sincerely,

Division of Global Migration and Quarantine
National Center for Infectious Diseases


My actual trip with the cats was uneventful. I arrived at Gatwick and queued as normal. Upon reaching the counter I explained I had the cats with me and the Airline Rep confirmed the booking. She held my bags and the cats at her check-in desk whilst I went over to the Information Counter and paid for them. By the time I got back she had sorted out the boarding passes, the cats' labels for the carriers and my excess baggage.

I was then instructed to take them to the Outsize baggage area and there they were taken from me to be X-rayed. They were returned to me once I had boarded the plane.

The actual flight was uneventful. There were no "accidents" from either cat. It is recommended that you don't feed them for 12 hours before the flight nor allow them water for 7 hours beforehand. I did, however, dip my fingers in water and allow them to lick that off during the flight. They might even have had a little lick of ice-cream at some point too.

Arrival at Cincinnati was no different to normal. I went through all the regular channels. No one mentioned anything to me about my having cats with me and they weren't examined upon arrival. When my baggage had to be x-rayed I was allowed to take each animal out one at a time. The security guards were mostly female and they oohed and ahhhhed at the cats, it was quite comical.

Overall, it was a very easy thing to do, the cats seemed pretty relaxed once they realised they weren't allowed out of the carriers and they didn't make a sound throughout the whole process. Airline, Immigration and Security Staff were all excellent and I highly recommend this method of bringing your cat(s) to the USA if you can.
*julez*
Thanks Mags! I really think this topic ought to be stickied as it comes up so often! Maybe we could merge the 2 medical stickied threads and add this as a separate topic so there aren't a million stickied.

Also, we could put this into VJwiki. (hint, hint Poiteen you wiki guru!)
Poiteen
merging the two medical theads is a great idea, I'll see what i can do about the wiki entry... blush.gif
Poiteen
there you go good.gif star_smile.gif star_smile.gif
*julez*
QUOTE(Poiteen @ Apr 22 2008, 09:49 AM) *
there you go good.gif star_smile.gif star_smile.gif


Nice work Poiteen!! You are a star!! star_smile.gif star_smile.gif star_smile.gif
Poiteen
no probs, i didn't which bits of the info above would apply to dogs too, so i put it all under cats. I suppose a small dog is probably treated in a similar way. Also I left out the specific info about the airline since it would vary so much. good.gif
Eli the Barrowboy
Hi All,

I emailed Continental's Pet Safe with the following query ...

Dear Continental,

I wish to fly from Beflast or Dublin Ireland to Newark in August as I am moving permanently to the USA. Can you tell me how and if I can bring my pet dog on to the flight? Can I put him in the cabin (he's small), in the hold or as Cargo. Will the heat embargo rule this trip out altogether? We will then be taking him on to PDX afer a stop over of maybe one or two days so I guess the same problems will arise then.

Can you give me some info on my choices?

To which they replied ...

Thanks for contacting Continental’s PetSafe desk. You will need to contact our cargo office in Belfast or Dublin for all animal shipping information. Belfast’s phone number is 011 44 28 944 22574. Dublin’s phone number is 011 353 1 812 5650. Temperatures are not a problem so we can transport your animal at any time.

So it seems that they can take them as cargo even during the heat embargo? What's going on?

I'll fill you all in when I get more info later today!!!

R


Eli the Barrowboy
Continental gave me the number of a guy who organises their petsafe scheme for them. 740 freaking pounds to PDX from Belfast one way. It would be cheaper to buy him a seat up front - twice as cheap actually. Not happy!!!
Mags
I've put in a request for a Pin in this topic.
*julez*
QUOTE(Mags @ Apr 23 2008, 10:32 AM) *
I've put in a request for a Pin in this topic.


Fanks, Mags!
Glyn and Kathy
QUOTE(Eli the Barrowboy @ Apr 23 2008, 12:06 PM) *
To
So it seems that they can take them as cargo even during the heat embargo? What's going on?

I'll fill you all in when I get more info later today!!!

R

I used to work for a US airline. The embargo is usually in the western and southern states where it gets really hot and as far as I remember only for certain breeds of animals with smoooshed noses like pugs and such. They have a hard time breathing with the heat. Only certain airlines will have the embargo and sometimes only in certain states.

To the person who was looking at BA...I think in order to ship your animal with BA, you have to go to a pet shipper. I looked into it at one point and I am pretty sure thats what I read on their site. We have two little brother kitties that are coming with us. Remy and Scamp are our babies.
Jeraly
Well I am flying with Air France and taking my cat in cabin with me - the guy on the phone (very French) said that it was totally not a problem and that all I had to do was to let the travel agency (ie expedia) know 72 hours before I fly.

To prepare, I have to get a vet's certificate of health to prove that she isn't going to spread weird diseases around and this has to be within ten days of her travelling. There is also (as far as I am aware) a 4kg weight limit (including basket) but this is, again, for Air France.

Some information on heat embargoes in the wiki would be useful but I am still woolly about it all - I just know it is ok to take my cat the way I am!!
Poiteen
Yeah, since I myself am not a member of the cat mafia devil.gif I have no idea about any of this stuff, and was basically just copying and pasting from this page in to the wiki.

you are most welcome to edit it though tongue.gif
andrea922
QUOTE(Eli the Barrowboy @ Apr 22 2008, 09:25 AM) *
We are bringing our dog over. It's a real pain to be honest - rabies shots, blood tests, passport, etc etc etc.

Plus, there is an animal embargo in place from May to September on US airlines as it gets too hot to have the dog sitting on the tarmac while the plane taxis.

We might have to fly to JFK and drive over to Oregon or shove the poor wee thing into a dog cage that fits under the seat in front. He's a Dachshund so he'll fit in the cage but he'll bark all the way no doubt.

Just adds to the already huge stress ... oh well.

R


The embargo during hot weather is airline specific, not all US airlines. Continental doesn't have a heat embargo, just an FYI. Also, at least with my cats, all they need is their rabies shots to be up to date and a fit to fly certificate, no passport or blood tests.
Mags
QUOTE(Jeraly @ Apr 23 2008, 01:50 PM) *
Well I am flying with Air France and taking my cat in cabin with me - the guy on the phone (very French) said that it was totally not a problem and that all I had to do was to let the travel agency (ie expedia) know 72 hours before I fly.

To prepare, I have to get a vet's certificate of health to prove that she isn't going to spread weird diseases around and this has to be within ten days of her travelling. There is also (as far as I am aware) a 4kg weight limit (including basket) but this is, again, for Air France.

Some information on heat embargoes in the wiki would be useful but I am still woolly about it all - I just know it is ok to take my cat the way I am!!


I would really double check that you don't have to pre-book your animal on. Really double check. wink.gif
Jeraly
Check with Air France or Expedia? I was thinking of doing that anyway just to be on the safe side biggrin.gif
Mags
QUOTE(Jeraly @ May 2 2008, 02:26 PM) *
Check with Air France or Expedia? I was thinking of doing that anyway just to be on the safe side biggrin.gif


Air France, Air France, Air France. Expedia are just the agents, and probably shouldn't be trusted too much for correct information regarding specific airline requirements.
Glyn and Kathy
QUOTE(andrea922 @ May 2 2008, 05:28 PM) *
QUOTE(Eli the Barrowboy @ Apr 22 2008, 09:25 AM) *
We are bringing our dog over. It's a real pain to be honest - rabies shots, blood tests, passport, etc etc etc.

Plus, there is an animal embargo in place from May to September on US airlines as it gets too hot to have the dog sitting on the tarmac while the plane taxis.

We might have to fly to JFK and drive over to Oregon or shove the poor wee thing into a dog cage that fits under the seat in front. He's a Dachshund so he'll fit in the cage but he'll bark all the way no doubt.

Just adds to the already huge stress ... oh well.

R


The embargo during hot weather is airline specific, not all US airlines. Continental doesn't have a heat embargo, just an FYI. Also, at least with my cats, all they need is their rabies shots to be up to date and a fit to fly certificate, no passport or blood tests.


I don't think, as a matter of fact I am almost positive that you don't even need the rabies shots as they are coming from a rabies free country. We'll get our kitties done once we are back in the States...its supposed to be cheaper there.
Mags
QUOTE(Glyn and Kathy @ May 3 2008, 11:22 AM) *
I don't think, as a matter of fact I am almost positive that you don't even need the rabies shots as they are coming from a rabies free country. We'll get our kitties done once we are back in the States...its supposed to be cheaper there.


As stated before, multiple times, you don't need a rabies shot for a feline to enter the USA (from the UK). However, once you have arrived, and are resident in your new state, you must get the animal innoculated.
Jeraly
QUOTE(Mags @ May 3 2008, 04:17 PM) *
QUOTE(Jeraly @ May 2 2008, 02:26 PM) *
Check with Air France or Expedia? I was thinking of doing that anyway just to be on the safe side biggrin.gif


Air France, Air France, Air France. Expedia are just the agents, and probably shouldn't be trusted too much for correct information regarding specific airline requirements.


Haha that's what I thought... But Mr Air France was convinced I need to speak to Expedia... lame!! Will see if I can dig out an e-mail address... My ticker has gone all crazy too sad.gif Boo!!
Mags
It just doesn't sound "right" to me, y'know?

I mean, I only have experience from Delta...but just letting an airline know 2 days in advance that you are bringing a pet in the cabin seems odd. Delta has a restriction of 2 in the cabin per flight (which you book at the same time as your own ticket) - seems odd that Air France does not. In theory you could turn up and there will be 40 other animals travelling in cabin - just doesn't seem viable to me.

I just looked up Air France on the net and it doesn't say much:

Air France

Incidentally, the information about medication being administered to ease "negative reaction" is outdated. Vets don't recommend anything as it can cause death in the animal (something to do with the pressurisation of the cabin and sedatives).

I'd ring them again. I had to phone Delta 3 times regarding flight certs. 2 told me I needed one, 1 told me I didn't. Turned out I didn't need one. rolleyes.gif
Jeraly
I found the info on Air France and I have sent an e-mail to any random e-mail address - they don't seem to be that easy to get hold of online so I figured if I send the e-mail to anyone, they can give me the correct address if they can't sort it out!!

I think it should be fine but I know what you mean - I thought it was a bit odd as well, although the guy seemed to think it was fine... Will see if I get a response from them via e-mail and if I haven't heard from them in a week then I will call again smile.gif
pandora
ok so anyone know the best way to transport my Alsation as would like to take her with me same day/flight if thats possible?

Jeraly
Mini update on Air France!

I called again today because I didn't hold out much hope for the e-mail. After pressing lots of buttons to get to a random person (I think I opted for the "other" option all through) I got to speaking with a lady called Marie-Claire who was really helpful. She seemed incredulous at the information I was given previously (no surprises there then!!) and told me that she would book Daisy on but would need to arrange it with a supervisor. She is going to call back to confirm everything. But that will be such a weight off my mind! She was really lovely as well biggrin.gif
Jeraly
Freaking out again - taken my cat to the vet - she is 3.5kg which is fine but with her carrier she is just over 5kg and the airline only allows her in cabin if she is 4kg or under including her carrier and now I don't know what to do. The vet said that she is not overweight and that the carrier is really lightweight... I just don't know how I am going to find a carrier that meets the requirements *and* weighs half a kilo and I am freaking out... cray5ol.gif
Jeraly
Panic over - third phone call, third *different* lot of information and apparently it is 6kg *sigh*

I am going to have aged 20 years by the time I move...
Jeraly
Ok - I have another question if anyone would be so kind...

I am looking through travel insurance for my trip (which is a feat in itself as most places will only cover a return trip) and I want to know if anyone has found anything that would cover a pet while travelling? I know that the Post Office do travel insurance for one-way but they won't cover my cat... did anyone bother with this? If so where did you look because I am really struggling!!
Poiteen
if the post office do ducks, they should do cats laughing.gif
Jeraly
The PO insure ducks...? On planes???

*runs to their website*
Poiteen
sorry that was a joke about their ad with Keith and Orville laughing.gif
Jeraly
*doesn't watch a lot of TV*

laughing.gif

I found this though - looks interesting so have sent an e-mail to find out if they cover for one-way flights smile.gif
Jeraly
Ok so they don't cover one-way flights sad.gif

Mags has said she didn't take out insurance as her cats were travelling in cabin with her so I might not bother...
Glyn and Kathy
I just wanted to post that we are in the process of getting all of our stuff together and leaving. Just got two quotes today from MAN-BOS for our two cats....continental airlines (who have a price on their website of $329.00 per cat) but shipped with a shipper from the area as they are so small there.....£989.00 for both cats total. Notice one price in pounds the other USD...big price difference having to use their shipper there.
A company that has been in business for 35 years....called Ladyhaye....£629.00 for both cats. They take care of it all for you.
I think I am going a bit crazy trying to keep airline tickets, removal companies, and cat people straight.
Jeraly
I know how you feel - I am soo glad I am taking Daisy in cabin with me - I looked into professional pet transport people but they were sooo expensive ><
Glyn and Kathy
They are completely ridiculous is what they are. If I thought our cats would manage the whole flight under the seats in front of us without driving the rest of the passengers crazy, I would take them aboard with us...but I know they will just cry and cry.
Jeraly
Yeah - I figure that if the flight takes my cat in cabin then everyone else will just have to deal with it biggrin.gif I am so thoughtful wink.gif
Eli the Barrowboy
Ok, new problem.

We have the dog booked, we bought the transporter... but ... the dog needs to be able to be fed and watered from the outside the crate.

The transporter comes with one bowl that sits on the mesh on the front ... anyone know of any accessories we can buy to enable us to feed him while still in the crate?

R
Jeraly
Hmmm you have a pic of the carrier you are using? That might help...
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