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*Len*
Oh sweetie, I am so sorry to hear about this. I really am. My prayers are with you rose.gif
We_Destiny
Omoba

I just arrived back in the coutry last night, and the ran to VJ looking for your approval. I am dumbfounded and extremely saddened by the decission (outcome) the embassy has taken.

O by the grace of God, you and Stephen will overcome this temporary situation.

You are both in my prayers, and keep strong and keep your spirits up, tomorrow is a new day!!

Destiny
Leafgal
I am very sorry to hear about your terrible time. I hope you can get it resolved quickly and to be together soon. Thoughts and prayers are with you.
Jamaica to CT
QUOTE(reeses16 @ Apr 19 2008, 10:00 AM) *
Omoba, I can't believe what I have just read. I'm very sorry for everything that you and your fiance are going through. I hope your lawyer can help you be successful as you move forward.

I agree. I'm so sorry Omoba.
diadromous mermaid
QUOTE(Omoba @ Apr 19 2008, 08:54 PM) *
Thank you all.

It will be difficult to prove and convince the AO of EXTREME hardship. That is why I need an attorney, I have read it is not easy and to not even bother if not enough evidence exists. The extreme hardship burden of prove is the killer, it is not as simple as filling out a waiver form and submitting it.
It is also more difficult to present the case as a fiance , for married couples and with kids it is a little smoother.
The USC has to convince the AO that if the ' family member ' will not be allowed to be in the US, then extreme hardship is a direct result of it.
" Misrepresentation ", alleged or real, imagined or fact will automatically result in a lifetime ban of entering the US for the beneficiary.


I am sorry to hear the bad news. Curious about the misrepresentation being material though. The regulations stipulate that
QUOTE
Under INA §212(a)(6)©(i), an alien who, by fraud or willfully misrepresenting a material fact, seeks to procure (or has sought to procure or has procured) a visa, other documentation, or entry into the United States or other benefit provided under the INA is excludable. The determination of materiality is a fact which would make an alien excludable or shut off a line of inquiry which may have resulted in exclusion.
. My question is how could misquoting a date of birth be material. He was either eligible for a B1 or not, Why would age be a factor?
Hotlegz
Omoba..I'm sooo sorry to be reading this..it is unbelievable...u guys r in my prayers
Omoba
QUOTE(diadromous mermaid @ Apr 21 2008, 07:21 PM) *
QUOTE(Omoba @ Apr 19 2008, 08:54 PM) *
Thank you all.

It will be difficult to prove and convince the AO of EXTREME hardship. That is why I need an attorney, I have read it is not easy and to not even bother if not enough evidence exists. The extreme hardship burden of prove is the killer, it is not as simple as filling out a waiver form and submitting it.
It is also more difficult to present the case as a fiance , for married couples and with kids it is a little smoother.
The USC has to convince the AO that if the ' family member ' will not be allowed to be in the US, then extreme hardship is a direct result of it.
" Misrepresentation ", alleged or real, imagined or fact will automatically result in a lifetime ban of entering the US for the beneficiary.


I am sorry to hear the bad news. Curious about the misrepresentation being material though. The regulations stipulate that
QUOTE
Under INA §212(a)(6)©(i), an alien who, by fraud or willfully misrepresenting a material fact, seeks to procure (or has sought to procure or has procured) a visa, other documentation, or entry into the United States or other benefit provided under the INA is excludable. The determination of materiality is a fact which would make an alien excludable or shut off a line of inquiry which may have resulted in exclusion.
. My question is how could misquoting a date of birth be material. He was either eligible for a B1 or not, Why would age be a factor?



He applied for the tourist visa with the name Steven instead of Stephen and made a mistake quoting the birth year by 3 years, he typed an 8 instead of a 5 on the application.

Age is not a factor but the alleged " misrepresentation " is automatically causing ineligibility.They think he did purposely falsify his identity on the B2 application , also
due to a lost passport I guess. But he presented the passport and birth cert. at the B2 interview
so if he intended a false identity he would have had a false birth cert. .........but he had his genuine one with the correct date. The CO said something about wanting to set " high standards " for all applicants to fill out the forms correctly.
A lifetime ban for this mistake is ridiculous. He did not commit a crime nor falsified his identity.
They are crazy. We will fight this.
The other issued I mentioned were said to not be grounds for inadmissibility but the whole picture, all of the issues together were too many, I believe the only way they could deny was to pick this " misrepresentation."
Also what I don't understand was that the chief CO said my letter was not good enough, to file the waiver , bring $545 and he would expedite it. If he won't overule it like he can then why bother to expedite it ?!
The adjudicating USCIS office for the embassy is in Accra, Ghana. These people will
make the decision to grant or not to grant the waiver.
KimandRuss
I'm sorry you're having to go through this. Keep fighting... stay strong!
jms
I can sympathize. We had the same scenario 4/10 only our case was sent back to CA. where I was told it will disappear, and we were advised to start all over with a spousal visa and then do the waiver. Does it ever end?
Osakeme
May the Lord be your comfort through this time
Boaz
rose.gif
brownnskinn
My heart goes out to you. rose.gif

Omoba
QUOTE(Sylvia_n_Joseph @ Apr 19 2008, 08:40 AM) *
All I can say is that this is the government at it's worse. That making the mistake of using a nickname and having a typo for you bithdate on the application together makes you inadmissable is senseless. The "wedding" pictures" is there a chance either of you distributed them to a friend/family memebr and they did a home visit to that person ? Or that you posted them somewhere ? To get into you email they need a court order. His email they can access using a clause in the patriot act but they are not supposed to use it for private correspondence.
I hope that you can work through this mess and get things resolved. It just burns me up to see someone with an honest relationship held hostage by a typo and to watch other cases where my heart knows the marriage is based on falsehood fly through. Stories like yours make us all lose sleep wondering if some small error could through us into some similar hell.
I would contact every person that I could find that might add a positive voice to your case. Maybe if you can generate a wave of support they may listen.

Enjoy the new grandchild they grow up to fast.



We shared the photos with very few close friends and it is highly unlikely that they would have not informed us of a home visit. We believe they accessed the email accounts.
Some wanted to know how they got our email addresses, there is a place for it on the form and
of course through constant keeping in touch with them during our AP we corresponded with them.
It is very easy for the fraud unit to have authority to access emails if they want to in the name of security.
They would never admit it though and just slightly " flashed" the black and white copies for a minute from the 3 inch thick folder without taking them out and showing us through the window.
It was a sureal experience. She asked are you married , if you are married you can't do a fiance visa.
Then I said nothing was signed, registered and we have no certificate or any other paper and there is nothing at the ministry of registry from our religious ceremony.
She said she doesn't believe it but would be willing to let it go......blah blah.....
MaRob
Omoba, I'm sorry... you have been so supportive of mine and many others' journeys and we are here to support you through your journey... rose.gif rose.gif Now might not be the best time for suggestions, so just know you are in my prayers and I pray that this will be successfully over with soon and you will both be together to cherish and make up the time for the rest of your lives... wish you and Stephen all the best truly
taurean
You are brave, as LL already stated to come back here and share your very difficult experience. God-willing there is a light at the end of the tunnel with all of this. You have my prayers and support.
For Debbie
QUOTE(Omoba @ Apr 19 2008, 01:16 AM) *
I returned from Dakar yesterday.

We were denied and handed a paper stating he is ineligible due to an alleged ' misrepresentation ' on a B2 ( tourist visa ) he filed
2 years ago to come visit me.

He filed the electronic form for the B2 online ,which was very unfamiliar to him and he submitted it in a hurry.
He stated his name as SteVen instead of StePHen and made a typo about his birth year, date and month was correct. Sometimes friends address him as Steve or Steven and so have I in the past.

He was accused of falsifying his identity.
When he asked me, I even told him not to worry about entering yes to the question if he ever used another name before because I felt the V versus the PH was just a slight varience and a non issue. How wrong I was !

He truthfully stated that YES he applied for a visa before ( B2 ) on the K1 forms.
He truthfully stated his passport was lost / stolen on the K1 forms.
He brought his passport and birth certificate for the B2 interview along............so if he was falsifying his identity he certainly would not have done that, nor would he have admitted he filed before.

The CO didn't like the following facts :

Passport lost / stolen.
V versus PH in his name Stephen, year of birth typo in B2 application.
Delayed birth certificate.
Delayed death certificate of his late wife.
( Sierra Leonean priority was not exactly running to register births and death during the 10 year brutal war but how to stay alive !
As recently as 2 years ago, teachers were send out to peoples homes to encourage them to register their children's birth again and obtain the birth certificates. )
They questioned his conversion from muslim to christian, he was raised as a nonpracticing muslim by a nonpracticing muslim father who married a Christian woman.

Lo and behold here is the clincher. As he entered to the window I was also called up and she went through all " hiccups ' with us.
Her folder on our case was about 3 inches thick.
She thumbed through it and then we almost fainted as we saw copies of our pics from our traditional religious ceremony.
The only way they could have obtained them would have been through our email accounts.
I quickly recovered and said yes we did have a religious ceremony and NOTHING was signed, certified or registered.
She said : I don't believe it but okay I would be willing to let that go..........but you have too many other things in the case
and though none in itself is grounds for denial the fact remains we are looking at the whole picture and with all these issues we have to deny the visa.

On the paper the following was marked :

On **** 2006, you submitted a visa application to a consular officer that listed your name as Stephen and your date of birth as ******** On ****2006 you submitted a visa application at the US Embassy in Conakry, stating that your name was Steven
and date of birth ******** ( 3 years off / typo ). Since you submitted a false identity when you applied for a visa and your identity is material to your eligibility for a visa , you are ineligible under INA section 212(a)(6)©(1) for misrepresentation of a material fact. She held the application info up for us to see but I was too shocked to read all.

My knees got weak and I almost fainted and Stephen sobbed. I asked to speak with the Chief CO and was refused. Somehow we made it outside.

Immediatley outside I had to focus on getting our friend out of trouble who innocently took pics of the embassy and the guards with his new cam phone while he waited outside for us.
The guard was beside himself and yelled at him and asked me : do you know this man and when Stephen tried to help and said the pics can just be erased, the guard became hysterical and I had to tell Stephen to be quiet that I am handling this. The guard told both to be quiet and that they were not allowed to say anything or they will go to the police station.......the guard rudely challenged Stephen to dare to erase the pics himself......he was just itching to drag him off to jail.
It was an aweful scene. I then intervened and said our friend was just excited about taking pics with his new phone and didn't realize it was against the law to do so and to please let him go and forgive the mistake and that I as a USC was fully aware of that fact.
They talked respectfully to me only and yelled loud at both of them and said they have no rights here at the embassy and to shut up.
I was able to convince them to not take the friend to jail.

We went home and Stephen had a very severe melt down.
I was just numb and channeling my focus on comforting him. Days later I crashed. Then 4 days later I got mad and said we are going back to the embassy. Once there I demanded to see the Chief CO and they said come back 3 hours later, at 2pm. We did but the guards said we go in only at precisely 2pm and not sooner. The searching and processing us through security took about 10 min. We waited and waited and I again said we want to see the CO but was told he looked for us at 2pm and we were not there
( oh yes we were and had another security guard vouch for us, call the phone and tell them so ! ) and that he was in a meeting now and didn't know when or if he would return.
I said I won't leave until I speak with him even if it would be 12 midnight , that I am a USC and demand to speak to him.
Around 4pm he came to the window. I was surprised that he was speaking kindly to us as I expected a green eyed monster by that time.
I said we were not given enough time to explain ourselves and wanted the chance to do so. He said he could not make an exception for us but would look at through our case and to submit to him a written letter and return the following day. We talked about 10 min. and he said if he would make an exception for us soon his entire waiting area would be full with everybody else.
He said if he deems that his subordinates denied the case in error he can overturn it.

I held up my bag of about 20# of evidence I dragged along in my carry on , listed all I had and said this was never even looked at.
The denial letter was already signed before our interview by him.
We typed a letter throughout the night on a borrowed laptop, put it on a memory stick and he went to a cafe to print it out.
Neither one of us was able to get into our mailboxes in 2 different cafe's.
Then the lights went out and we continued with a flash light until the wee hours, slept 3 hours and went back to the embassy.
Fully expecting to be personally handing the letter to the Chief we were told he is not available and she would take our letter but didn't think he would overturn it and that he looked at our case.
I said I was leaving Dakar tomorrow and Stephen the following day. She said she doesn't know when he would read the letter.
Nothing...no call came.
I went home a total basket case.
Then Stephen went to the airport but was told no flights go out on Thursdays even though the Slok airline confirmed the flight the day before. Also when he booked the ticket for Dakar the travel agency didn't forward the money to Slok and he was unable to
pick me up from the airport and had to depart 2 days later, so the first 2 days I was by myself. But thanks to Taurean and her husbands family and friends I was very well taken care of and the friend declared he would be my body guard.........he was, in the thickest traffic he would stop the cars like a cop so I could cross the street.
The dance of weaving in and out of traffic was as usual nerve wrecking but a well orchestrated symphony to all Nationals.
Thanks Taurean and Moussa for a place to stay and taking care that we had food the entire stay. I deeply appreciate you both.
Thank you Heather, Nagishkaw and LovinLiberia and Taurean for calling me during some of my darkest days there and encouraging me and holding me together.

It was all very devastating and our tension and stress unbelievably high.

Today I woke up to an earth quake here in Illinois, 5.2 richter scale and I was still disoriented and thinking I was in Africa. I thought I was losing my mind and thank God people started calling me confirming the quake and I realized I was not going crazy.
Stuff fell off my table.

At noon today my 3. grandchild was born. Welcome little Bennett.

I went back to work answering the "how did the interview go " questions from everyone. I wanted to just vomit.

Now what ?
Well I am retaining legal counsel, spoke with attorney Mark Ellis and contacted Laurrel Scott who specializes in
waivers and we will keep fighting and hoping until all avenues are exhausted. It won't be easy. It won't be cheap. It will be
very difficult to overcome this.
When I arrived home a mail from the Chief CO said : I am sorry to say your letter was not convincing enough to overturn the decision and as discussed to go ahead and file the waiver. He would try to expedite it and sorry that Stephen already left Dakar and yes he would have to file it in person there along with bringing $ 545 in cash. I responded by saying I will retain legal counsel as I am not familiar enough with the process of the waiver and that I hope for his positive recommendation for a good outcome. The waiver will go from the embassy to the USCIS who then will adjudicate it and grant it or don't grant it. The CO can make a positive or negative recommendation. From there our last shot would be to appeal to a judge.

Folks watch your email accounts, things are going on I would never have believed if it wouldn't have happend to us and I can't say anymore as this is a puplic board and easily accessable by anyone.........get my drift.

We are law abiding , honest people who made a mistake, were perhaps careless 2 years ago with the B2 application but
we are not criminals and we did not commit fraud. We were never in trouble with the law excpet for my few speeding tickets.

The CO said they believe our relationship is genuine and don't doubt it but the focus is the alleged misrepresentation.

I am so stressed that I approached a man at the airport who was sitting there , thinking it was my ex and said what are you doing here ? Of course he looked at me a little strange and then I walked off realizing it was not him. Maybe it was due to the malaria meds and maybe I am just losing it.........but anyway, we will remain standing and hoping and praying for God to intervene.

We are not ready to say a permanent farewell to each other .... we will never be ready for that. How would one do that ?!
We are taking one day at a time.
Sorry for the lengthy post and I feel like crawling under a rock to lick my wounds but our experience may help someone else.

I sincerely congratulate everyone who was part of the wonderful wave of approvals this month.

God bless.



Omoba,

Last night I read with keen interest your detailed agonizing experience toward your effort to secure a visa for you significant other. All day, I kept thinking about your story and several thoughts kept creeping in.

I wondered out widely on how come in this whole wild world would they print your pictures from your e-mail accounts. I anonymously made inquiries even form the angels and most of the answers I got was tending to the fact that your fiancee may have submitted those pictures without your knowledge and this has nothing to do with trust, as a lot of people including me would turn in stuff not required of us to convince the 'gods' at the embassy. Another possibility could be that those pictures may have been in more than one hand and their simple inquires would lead them to a relative that has those pictures. Further inquiry revealed that, that there must be a probable course for a court to grant a warrant to electronically siff through your e-mail. Visa application is not enough and in this case has nothing to do with National Security or Patriot Act.

It is my opinion that once a decision is reached by an agent, it is very difficult to overturn that decision without loosing all the upper teeth and even some of the lower ones. It is good to retain an attorney, but in most cases, it does not help more than several letters and phone calls to your Senator, Congressman/woman would have helped. As an American, they owe us that duty and they take that inquiry serious. Your fiancee has not committed any crime from my judgement, although their discretion would make you wonder sometimes the IQ level of those COs. Remember, the training they have is to find a way to deny visa and not to find a way to grant visa application and so their mind is focused on fault finding and sometimes they get it all wrong. But again, because we are all human and our frailities are real, they make mistakes and they find it hard to admit those mistakes. Today somebody mentioned to me that they had asked his friend whose wife is in Africa to provide his and the wife's DNA because they look alike. Experience has shown that people travel and "marry" their sisters in the name of bringing them over here and we that have good and genuine intentions suffer. I hope no body plays with me when it comes to my wife attending interview and I plan to travel and be there live even if I have to develop horns.

Have you considered planning to actually wed your fiancee legally and file for I-130 and possible K3. This gives you three choices. Waiting for a waiver/appeal that takes for ever from your your denied K1, waiting for another six months for either k3 and or I-130 whichever comes first. It might be expensive, but K3 is free while I-130 is less than $400.00

Whatever your decision, I wish you well and I wait my own faith to reunite with my wife. I will post this in the forum aswell and please do not take it personal if you find any of my suggestion offensive. I wish I can help you and who knows the grand baby can bring good news towards this.

Good luck
Perseverance
QUOTE(For Debbie @ Apr 22 2008, 11:57 PM) *
QUOTE(Omoba @ Apr 19 2008, 01:16 AM) *
I returned from Dakar yesterday.

We were denied and handed a paper stating he is ineligible due to an alleged ' misrepresentation ' on a B2 ( tourist visa ) he filed
2 years ago to come visit me.

He filed the electronic form for the B2 online ,which was very unfamiliar to him and he submitted it in a hurry.
He stated his name as SteVen instead of StePHen and made a typo about his birth year, date and month was correct. Sometimes friends address him as Steve or Steven and so have I in the past.

He was accused of falsifying his identity.
When he asked me, I even told him not to worry about entering yes to the question if he ever used another name before because I felt the V versus the PH was just a slight varience and a non issue. How wrong I was !

He truthfully stated that YES he applied for a visa before ( B2 ) on the K1 forms.
He truthfully stated his passport was lost / stolen on the K1 forms.
He brought his passport and birth certificate for the B2 interview along............so if he was falsifying his identity he certainly would not have done that, nor would he have admitted he filed before.

The CO didn't like the following facts :

Passport lost / stolen.
V versus PH in his name Stephen, year of birth typo in B2 application.
Delayed birth certificate.
Delayed death certificate of his late wife.
( Sierra Leonean priority was not exactly running to register births and death during the 10 year brutal war but how to stay alive !
As recently as 2 years ago, teachers were send out to peoples homes to encourage them to register their children's birth again and obtain the birth certificates. )
They questioned his conversion from muslim to christian, he was raised as a nonpracticing muslim by a nonpracticing muslim father who married a Christian woman.

Lo and behold here is the clincher. As he entered to the window I was also called up and she went through all " hiccups ' with us.
Her folder on our case was about 3 inches thick.
She thumbed through it and then we almost fainted as we saw copies of our pics from our traditional religious ceremony.
The only way they could have obtained them would have been through our email accounts.
I quickly recovered and said yes we did have a religious ceremony and NOTHING was signed, certified or registered.
She said : I don't believe it but okay I would be willing to let that go..........but you have too many other things in the case
and though none in itself is grounds for denial the fact remains we are looking at the whole picture and with all these issues we have to deny the visa.

On the paper the following was marked :

On **** 2006, you submitted a visa application to a consular officer that listed your name as Stephen and your date of birth as ******** On ****2006 you submitted a visa application at the US Embassy in Conakry, stating that your name was Steven
and date of birth ******** ( 3 years off / typo ). Since you submitted a false identity when you applied for a visa and your identity is material to your eligibility for a visa , you are ineligible under INA section 212(a)(6)©(1) for misrepresentation of a material fact. She held the application info up for us to see but I was too shocked to read all.

My knees got weak and I almost fainted and Stephen sobbed. I asked to speak with the Chief CO and was refused. Somehow we made it outside.

Immediatley outside I had to focus on getting our friend out of trouble who innocently took pics of the embassy and the guards with his new cam phone while he waited outside for us.
The guard was beside himself and yelled at him and asked me : do you know this man and when Stephen tried to help and said the pics can just be erased, the guard became hysterical and I had to tell Stephen to be quiet that I am handling this. The guard told both to be quiet and that they were not allowed to say anything or they will go to the police station.......the guard rudely challenged Stephen to dare to erase the pics himself......he was just itching to drag him off to jail.
It was an aweful scene. I then intervened and said our friend was just excited about taking pics with his new phone and didn't realize it was against the law to do so and to please let him go and forgive the mistake and that I as a USC was fully aware of that fact.
They talked respectfully to me only and yelled loud at both of them and said they have no rights here at the embassy and to shut up.
I was able to convince them to not take the friend to jail.

We went home and Stephen had a very severe melt down.
I was just numb and channeling my focus on comforting him. Days later I crashed. Then 4 days later I got mad and said we are going back to the embassy. Once there I demanded to see the Chief CO and they said come back 3 hours later, at 2pm. We did but the guards said we go in only at precisely 2pm and not sooner. The searching and processing us through security took about 10 min. We waited and waited and I again said we want to see the CO but was told he looked for us at 2pm and we were not there
( oh yes we were and had another security guard vouch for us, call the phone and tell them so ! ) and that he was in a meeting now and didn't know when or if he would return.
I said I won't leave until I speak with him even if it would be 12 midnight , that I am a USC and demand to speak to him.
Around 4pm he came to the window. I was surprised that he was speaking kindly to us as I expected a green eyed monster by that time.
I said we were not given enough time to explain ourselves and wanted the chance to do so. He said he could not make an exception for us but would look at through our case and to submit to him a written letter and return the following day. We talked about 10 min. and he said if he would make an exception for us soon his entire waiting area would be full with everybody else.
He said if he deems that his subordinates denied the case in error he can overturn it.

I held up my bag of about 20# of evidence I dragged along in my carry on , listed all I had and said this was never even looked at.
The denial letter was already signed before our interview by him.
We typed a letter throughout the night on a borrowed laptop, put it on a memory stick and he went to a cafe to print it out.
Neither one of us was able to get into our mailboxes in 2 different cafe's.
Then the lights went out and we continued with a flash light until the wee hours, slept 3 hours and went back to the embassy.
Fully expecting to be personally handing the letter to the Chief we were told he is not available and she would take our letter but didn't think he would overturn it and that he looked at our case.
I said I was leaving Dakar tomorrow and Stephen the following day. She said she doesn't know when he would read the letter.
Nothing...no call came.
I went home a total basket case.
Then Stephen went to the airport but was told no flights go out on Thursdays even though the Slok airline confirmed the flight the day before. Also when he booked the ticket for Dakar the travel agency didn't forward the money to Slok and he was unable to
pick me up from the airport and had to depart 2 days later, so the first 2 days I was by myself. But thanks to Taurean and her husbands family and friends I was very well taken care of and the friend declared he would be my body guard.........he was, in the thickest traffic he would stop the cars like a cop so I could cross the street.
The dance of weaving in and out of traffic was as usual nerve wrecking but a well orchestrated symphony to all Nationals.
Thanks Taurean and Moussa for a place to stay and taking care that we had food the entire stay. I deeply appreciate you both.
Thank you Heather, Nagishkaw and LovinLiberia and Taurean for calling me during some of my darkest days there and encouraging me and holding me together.

It was all very devastating and our tension and stress unbelievably high.

Today I woke up to an earth quake here in Illinois, 5.2 richter scale and I was still disoriented and thinking I was in Africa. I thought I was losing my mind and thank God people started calling me confirming the quake and I realized I was not going crazy.
Stuff fell off my table.

At noon today my 3. grandchild was born. Welcome little Bennett.

I went back to work answering the "how did the interview go " questions from everyone. I wanted to just vomit.

Now what ?
Well I am retaining legal counsel, spoke with attorney Mark Ellis and contacted Laurrel Scott who specializes in
waivers and we will keep fighting and hoping until all avenues are exhausted. It won't be easy. It won't be cheap. It will be
very difficult to overcome this.
When I arrived home a mail from the Chief CO said : I am sorry to say your letter was not convincing enough to overturn the decision and as discussed to go ahead and file the waiver. He would try to expedite it and sorry that Stephen already left Dakar and yes he would have to file it in person there along with bringing $ 545 in cash. I responded by saying I will retain legal counsel as I am not familiar enough with the process of the waiver and that I hope for his positive recommendation for a good outcome. The waiver will go from the embassy to the USCIS who then will adjudicate it and grant it or don't grant it. The CO can make a positive or negative recommendation. From there our last shot would be to appeal to a judge.

Folks watch your email accounts, things are going on I would never have believed if it wouldn't have happend to us and I can't say anymore as this is a puplic board and easily accessable by anyone.........get my drift.

We are law abiding , honest people who made a mistake, were perhaps careless 2 years ago with the B2 application but
we are not criminals and we did not commit fraud. We were never in trouble with the law excpet for my few speeding tickets.

The CO said they believe our relationship is genuine and don't doubt it but the focus is the alleged misrepresentation.

I am so stressed that I approached a man at the airport who was sitting there , thinking it was my ex and said what are you doing here ? Of course he looked at me a little strange and then I walked off realizing it was not him. Maybe it was due to the malaria meds and maybe I am just losing it.........but anyway, we will remain standing and hoping and praying for God to intervene.

We are not ready to say a permanent farewell to each other .... we will never be ready for that. How would one do that ?!
We are taking one day at a time.
Sorry for the lengthy post and I feel like crawling under a rock to lick my wounds but our experience may help someone else.

I sincerely congratulate everyone who was part of the wonderful wave of approvals this month.

God bless.



Omoba,

Last night I read with keen interest your detailed agonizing experience toward your effort to secure a visa for you significant other. All day, I kept thinking about your story and several thoughts kept creeping in.

I wondered out widely on how come in this whole wild world would they print your pictures from your e-mail accounts. I anonymously made inquiries even form the angels and most of the answers I got was tending to the fact that your fiancee may have submitted those pictures without your knowledge and this has nothing to do with trust, as a lot of people including me would turn in stuff not required of us to convince the 'gods' at the embassy. Another possibility could be that those pictures may have been in more than one hand and their simple inquires would lead them to a relative that has those pictures. Further inquiry revealed that, that there must be a probable course for a court to grant a warrant to electronically siff through your e-mail. Visa application is not enough and in this case has nothing to do with National Security or Patriot Act.

It is my opinion that once a decision is reached by an agent, it is very difficult to overturn that decision without loosing all the upper teeth and even some of the lower ones. It is good to retain an attorney, but in most cases, it does not help more than several letters and phone calls to your Senator, Congressman/woman would have helped. As an American, they owe us that duty and they take that inquiry serious. Your fiancee has not committed any crime from my judgement, although their discretion would make you wonder sometimes the IQ level of those COs. Remember, the training they have is to find a way to deny visa and not to find a way to grant visa application and so their mind is focused on fault finding and sometimes they get it all wrong. But again, because we are all human and our frailities are real, they make mistakes and they find it hard to admit those mistakes. Today somebody mentioned to me that they had asked his friend whose wife is in Africa to provide his and the wife's DNA because they look alike. Experience has shown that people travel and "marry" their sisters in the name of bringing them over here and we that have good and genuine intentions suffer. I hope no body plays with me when it comes to my wife attending interview and I plan to travel and be there live even if I have to develop horns.

Have you considered planning to actually wed your fiancee legally and file for I-130 and possible K3. This gives you three choices. Waiting for a waiver/appeal that takes for ever from your your denied K1, waiting for another six months for either k3 and or I-130 whichever comes first. It might be expensive, but K3 is free while I-130 is less than $400.00

Whatever your decision, I wish you well and I wait my own faith to reunite with my wife. I will post this in the forum aswell and please do not take it personal if you find any of my suggestion offensive. I wish I can help you and who knows the grand baby can bring good news towards this.

Good luck





For Debbie,

While your suggestion to marry and file through a K3 or I-130 does seem like the next logical step (I sugested that to her as well hoping she could get married while she was there this last time) after researching wont work out they we think, she would still have to overcome the problems of the first K1 denial. All of these issues would rise up again in her new filing. The waiver and then perhaps a trial with a judge are her last chances for Stephen to come here, if niether of those have a positive outcome, Stephen will be banned from the US for life. Thank you for you input and I do believe her new Grandson is working his little baby magic on her. wink.gif


For Everyone,

I dont really post too much anymore this is my busy season at work and I dont have much time, but I do read. I just wanted to say that it took a lot of courage for Omoba to post her story for everyone. I hope that people, especially new people here to VJ and this process can learn from what happened to her and Stephen, so this does not happen to someone else. Go over all of your paperwork several times and edit what you may think to be the smallest mistake and no big deal, you never know, it could be something small and seemingly unsignifigant to us but to them a tool for denial. As For Debbie said they are not trained to approve but to deny, my suggestion is leave no stone unturned so to speak, Good luck everyone. rose.gif

Heather
Omoba
ForDebbie,

The senators aide is involved but has no authority to overide it.

The K1 , though denied is not "officially" closed out , therefore we can not start over with K3 as it would be
another type of " misrepresentation " to file for another types visa with an " open " K1.

Impossible for my fiance to have turned in the pics, he understands the process very well. He lost his family in the war, so no family turned in any pics.
Yes. I know about the DNA being requested for many couples when both are African.
We received an email once for us to get DNA tested also, when I replied that we are not related and that I am white so how can we be related ,they acknowledged their mistake and then turned around and requested it from him and his daughter to prove paternity. We complied. We didn't file for a K2 to bring her immediatly over but only a K1. This nonsense alone delayed us 7 months and cost a small fortune.
He travelled to Dakar 3 times for these visa issues and that also gets very expensive. He has to fly to another country because his homeland does not process K1 or K3 visas.
This is government work at it's finest........not!
Omoba
By the way, the waivers get adjudicated by an USCIS office in Accra, Ghana for all applications from Dakar.
Forever Young
QUOTE(Omoba @ Apr 19 2008, 02:16 AM) *
We are not ready to say a permanent farewell to each other .... we will never be ready for that. How would one do that ?!
We are taking one day at a time.
Sorry for the lengthy post and I feel like crawling under a rock to lick my wounds but our experience may help someone else.

I sincerely congratulate everyone who was part of the wonderful wave of approvals this month.

God bless.

Oh my friend ((((((((((Omoba))))))))),

I am so sorry to hear this news. But, I am glad that G-d has strengthened yours and Steve's resolve to be together. IT WILL HAPPEN MY LOVE!!! Remember...Anything & EVERYTHING IS possible through him!


I just want to give you a BIG bear hug and tell you Everything WILL be alright! It WILL and I know you know that! Never lose faith in your husband, your love for each other and our Lord!!! Those three things WILL guide you through this difficult time!

Love you and as ALWAYS YOU BOTH ARE IN MY PRAYERS!!!

Bless-ed love always heart.gif heart.gif heart.gif ,
Gill
Omoba
Thank you Gill....... yuh na me yardie sistren ! Love ya back.


Yes, Heather that baby magic is awesome. All the stress melts away. Am leaving for home tomorrow. cray5ol.gif
LadyLove2006
"Never Give Up". You both are in my prayers.

Hanging in there
QUOTE(Omoba @ Apr 23 2008, 11:35 AM) *
Thank you Gill....... yuh na me yardie sistren ! Love ya back.


Yes, Heather that baby magic is awesome. All the stress melts away. Am leaving for home tomorrow. cray5ol.gif

I think you have a chance with that 545 fee... I thnk he was just following procedure and couldnt override it if he wanted to...
I say continue with your journey and pay the 545 and keep going..i think you will be eventually approved
GOLDEN.247
I am sorry for the bad news and I am praying that everything turns out possitive for you and your fiance'.
Efia06
Im so sorry and disappointed for you O. Im sure God has good things in store for you. Its just hard waiting.
Omoba
I talked to an attorney who comes highly recommended and specializes in waivers.
$ 7500, chances are 85 - 95 % to getting the waiver approved in an estimated time frame of 6 months or so for our particular situation.

Only one problem, my finances are depleted after 2 years of embassy run around. We have no $ 7500 nor can we borrow more.

Also my fiance must fly AGAIN to Dakar, Senegal for the 4. time to submit the waiver himself and then for a 5. time for a 3. interview.

The embassy has not adjusted any regulations so that the back and forth to the embassy would not cause such an exhausting financial hardship for
countries without consulate processing for immigrants. Flying back and forth like this is just insane, its not like it is around the block.

Doing this without a lawyer is not recommended in our circumstances and many other lawyers don't know much about waivers.

Sigh !

We_Destiny
Hey Omoba

I have not seen this poster lately, but KitKat was the waiver go-to person, have you tried getting in touch with her? She might be able to assist you. I am sure that overstaying a visa is more seriuos then spelling your name wrong (misrepresentation). well she might be able to direct you t counsel that are more reasonably priced or give youa guidline on how to write the waiver yourself.

Just my thoughts,
estadia


i started reading this thread again hoping against hope that u had found a way to resolve this mess.......our embassy's at times are our worst enemy.......unfortunately in the embassy's there are good and bad people as anyplace that is a work place......maybe its power trip maybe its something else only they know.......but what ever the case is don't give up.......i know money is hard and that at times it feels like a losing battle but u will win God is on ur side........and you have so many people here on vj praying for u........u are a very special person and have had to fight all the way thru this.......my heart tells me that at some point u will succeed.........
sara
Hanging in there
QUOTE(estadia @ Apr 30 2008, 07:45 AM) *
i started reading this thread again hoping against hope that u had found a way to resolve this mess.......our embassy's at times are our worst enemy.......unfortunately in the embassy's there are good and bad people as anyplace that is a work place......maybe its power trip maybe its something else only they know.......but what ever the case is don't give up.......i know money is hard and that at times it feels like a losing battle but u will win God is on ur side........and you have so many people here on vj praying for u........u are a very special person and have had to fight all the way thru this.......my heart tells me that at some point u will succeed.........
sara

My best advice is to find out what paper work is involved in doing a waiver,then consult a local immigration attorney..You need to hail mary it if you cannot afford 7500....I actually got a medical expedite and everyone told me I couldnt.You could say that he applied for the tourist visa before he had his passport..can you find any documentation that he spells his name 2 ways?like any other paper with his name with a v?i was also told by attorneys I couldnt get a waiver...wrong...i did..and their advice cost me 1 year cause i married instead of sticking with a k1 like i should have.If you have a 75 to 80 percent chancewith a waiver with an attorney.You have the same odds without.I will help you formulate a letter of arguement just as a friend and maybe if you can get ahold of the local law school or pre law school you can get a class to all write letters and you can read through of the classes letters and write your own. I personally think even your own waiver would work.he was forced by regs to deny you...he encouraged you to file the waiver..i think it would be approved
Marlita
Oh my gosh!! (((Omoba))) tears come to my eyes reading this, but also anger. I'm sorry this is happening to you. I know you have been going thru this journey for quite some time. Please pray for God to reveal His plan to you. The meaning of this will soon come to light.

As far as the email thing.....so are you saying that they hacked into you guys' email accounts? Thats super scary.
Omoba
Things are coming to light Marlita, I will post when my investigation is complete.
Omoba
Above is the link that talks about the government spying on whoever they chose to without any court order.
As I said nothing is privat online anymore, every keystroke can be monitored. This was on our local news, there are spy buildings in several cities.
AT&T is cooperating with the monitoring.
Sylvia_n_Joseph
It is part of the Patriot Act and was also part of the Protect America Act. Expecially when you communicate with someone outside the United States your traffic may be monitored without the need for a specific court order.
Omoba
QUOTE(Sylvia_n_Joseph @ May 6 2008, 07:39 PM) *
It is part of the Patriot Act and was also part of the Protect America Act. Expecially when you communicate with someone outside the United States your traffic may be monitored without the need for a specific court order.


Correct. A lot of people do not realize this and think a court order is needed.
As often happens, this act is now being abused and used on any everyday citizen for whatever reasons.
It burns my butt that this can happen in America under the pretense it is for security reasons.
This is exactly what was predicted by many who were against the Patriot Act in the frst place, knowing it would
not be contained for natioanl security purposes.
Big brother is watching !
Zee Bee
Omoba, thank you for sharing. It is scary that this informaiton is readily available to the government but I did not realize how much "privacy" we have.
LovinLiberia
Omoba, your article was unnerving. I saw a special about that "secret room" on 20/20 or 60 mins.
JJWashington
Scary. I've always operated under the assumption that nothing on the internet is private. I would think they would focus on real fraud like the Visa Scams and Romance Scams and all of that kind of thing. Its unfortunate and scary.
Sylvia_n_Joseph
Life is no longer simple. One of the easiest ways to send hidden data is in pictures. So pictures traveling into and out of the country are looked at to varying degrees. Yes big brother is watching. Do they care about your plans to spend that first hot night together NO but they do want to know that what appears to me a picture of you in front of moms house doesn't really contain much much more.
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