could you tell me how long does it usually take to get a police certificate in russia?
I'm ukrainian citizen, I studied in russia for 4 years and have to obtaine police certificate from russia, it's been more than a months since I ordered it and it's not ready yet.
Is it normal?
It takes 2 weeks to get one in Ukraine
thanks

I applied for my police certificate on march, 20th, it will be ready on april, 17th. It normally takes 1 month!u should call them and ask? because it shouldnt take more then a month!

Mariya

It is possible that it's taking longer because it's an international deal. Maybe they have more "checking" to do before they ship it to you.

You probably should contact them to see what's taking so long. I wouldn't be worried yet, but definitely check into it.

Did you get your Ukrainian police certificate in two weeks? I've read that it can take a lot longer (I hope that is not the case). Please let me know.

I kept telling Nadya to get her police certificate ASAP because I'd heard that it can take 30 days, sometimes longer. She insisted it only takes 3 days, and told me to stop worrying about it. But I kept bugging her, and finally she relented. 3 days later she had it in hand. I can pretty much count on never hearing the end of that one.

I still can't get Alla to do it. "Jeffery, it is easily when I have time. I busy!"

I think it might take a long time if you live in Yakutsk and need a police certificate from when you went to university in Moscow, for example. But perhaps when you've lived in the same place all your life and are just going down to your local office it doesn't take so long.

Anyone experienced anything to the contrary?

But she's been through this before, right? How long did it take for her to get it the first time?


We were thinking that she had to get one cert from her home village, and another from the city. So when she was home visiting her parents she went to the local police station to get that one. Her village is a little podunk place way out in the boonies and they had it for her in 3 days. Even better, turns out that certificate covers the entire republic, so she won't have to get another one.

Well, that explains it. They were probably so excited to have something to do in the office besides download pornography that they jumped at the opportunity to prepare Nadya's certificate.

This was right at the point that she decided to wait. She didn't get the certificate back in 2005. She believes it takes less than a week. I asked her about it last weekend.

LOL yeah. I did have this image of a couple police officers crowded around some ancient dusty police "how-to" tome, going through the index. "Hmmmm...spravka...spravka...spravka..."

eekee,

I have had experience to the contrary. My fiancee has lived in Sochi all her life, and we asked for the Police certificate on Jan 14th, and Received it on March 22nd. The only way we got it then was to pull some strings in the police department (one of the higher ups is a client of hers) and get it moving.

I asked this question in another thread yesterday, and nobody offered any thoughts, so I'll interject it again here....

Does the police certificate need to be translated (for the Moscow Embassy)? I don't believe it needs to be. Maybe some (or even most) folks have translated this document? But, is it required? Has anyone gone to the interview without a translation of the police certificate and been told that they must get a translation? I'm pretty sure that my ex didn't translate hers when she interviewed there several years ago (and there were no problems), and the list of required documents (from the Moscow Embassy's website (below)) doesn't include a translation of the police certificate, while it does specifically mention the translation for the birth certificate and divorce certificate.

"List of Documents for Fiancé (e) Visa Interview

Biographical Form DS-230 filled out in English (part 1 and part 2). A separate form must be filled out for immigrating child over 16 years of age.
Completed Electronic Visa Application Form DS-156. ( The Electronic Visa Application Form must be filled out online at http://evisaforms.state.gov. After filling out the form online, print a copy of the visa application form. The Electronic Visa Application Form is not available in the Russian language. Answers to the questions on the application must be in English and must use English characters. The applicants are welcome to use the Russian language translation to guide them through the online English Electronic Visa Application Form). A separate Electronic Visa Application Form DS-156 must be filled out for immigrating child.
Supplement DS-156K form. The form must be filled out in Russian. DO NOT SIGN DS-156K. No DS-156K supplement is required for immigrating child.
International Passport with a photocopy of the first page and the page with information about immigrating child if the child's name in included in the parent's passport.
Original birth certificate, photocopy and translation into English.
Police certificates in all names as well as all dates of birth ever used. Police certificate must contain references to each place (subject to the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation) in which the applicant lives or has lived for more than six months since attaining the age of 16. This includes localities where applicants have lived during university studies. If the applicant was on military service, he/she should bring the certificate from the local draft board. If an applicant has lived abroad for more than one year, a police certificate must also be submitted from the country in which he/she lived. Police certificate validity is one year since the date of issuance.
Evidence of termination of prior marriage(s) (if applicable), original, photocopy and translation into English.
One color non-glossy full-face photo 50x50 mm for visa. The eye level should be between 28mm and 35mm from the bottom. Another two pictures will be required for medical examination.
Visa application fee of $100 for each applicant (Beginning January 1, 2008 the fee will change from 100USD to 131USD) for each applicant
Documents confirming relationship: photos of Petitioner and Beneficiary together, letters to each other, phone bills, airplane tickets, emails, etc.
Results of Medical Examination in a sealed envelope. The medical must be taken at one of the embassy-designated medical centers. It takes 2 days to complete the medical examination.
Financial documents from the petitioner – a US citizen: please note, that Affidavit of Support (form I-134) is not required, but may be requested. The document must be notarized. Please submit financial documents to show that the applicant will not become a public charge in the United States. Such documents may include, but are not limited to:
- Most recent year tax returns (form 1040) or tax transcripts from IRS
- Copy of bank account
- Earnings and leave statement
- W-2 forms
- Letter from employer
If an applicant is required to provide additional documentation after the interview with an American consular officer has taken place, the documentation may be submitted to the 221G box at the Embassy North Gate between 2.00PM and 4.00PM on any working day or mailed to the Embassy."

No, it is not required.

Yeah I don't think it's required either. Nadya's decided she's going to get it translated anyway, and I have better things to argue with her over, but I don't think it's necessary unless it's in a language other than Russian.

Ira got hers translated too... Given the affordable translation costs, and the power trips bureaucrats sometimes go on, it seemed like a no-brainer.

Z

Agreed. Things like this I don't mind throwing a few dollars at.

I didn't throw any dollars at that stuff. I figured she was a big girl and if she wanted to get a K-1, then she could acquire and pay for her documents.

I did, however, pay for her trip to Moscow and the related costs there. I thought she should pay her "fair share" (to me the girl paying at least for part of the expenses proves she's not scamming... not saying that was our case or your case, just saying think it over) but the costs of getting to/from Moscow and staying for a few days are astronomical from a non-Muscovite Russian standpoint. That, I didn't mind throwing a few dollars at.

She was pretty thrifty during the trip. Funny how expenses shrink when cash is in hand but yet when there are items to add to the cart (bebe.com, victoriassecret.com, Jlo.com, etc.) there's never enough money on the card. Different issue. Sorry. That, I do mind throwing a few dollars at.

Anyway, from where I sit, your beneficiary should be taking just as active a part as you in the visa process to include fronting some of the money. I understand there's a lack of resources on their side, but there should at least be some effort. If you're not getting any.... beware!

If your girl's just a slacker (like mox's seems to be.... she and I could be in the same "procrastinator posse") then pay it no mind. But, if you're trying to get everything going, and she's dragging her feet, telling you she needs more money, etc. (like the guy on here a few weeks back saying the biddies talked her out of it and she needed $450 more) then make her get more involved. You'll be glad you did.

Good luck, and remember, never do today what you can put off until tomorrow. (Abe Lincoln?)

I think we've had this conversation before, but I'll repeat it anyway. If you're sending the girl to Moscow for her K-1 interview, and you have any lingering doubts at all as to if she's scamming you, then you really shouldn't be sending her to Moscow for a K-1 interview. Those doubts should have been removed ages ago. In fact, if you propose to a woman that you're not 100% convinced she's not scamming you, then you shouldn't be proposing to her.

Our friend with the "biddies" is the perfect example. You just know that guy was shelling out handfulls of cash on a weekly basis, never fully trusting her, but not wanting to admit that what he was feeling wasn't real.


Agreed!



I'm paying for Nadya's full trip. I'm not paying for any shopping excursions or first class train fare, but I am paying for the trip and her meals. Mostly because I want to, and I think it's the right thing to do (I'm old sk001 gentleman--it's not quite fair of me to want all the advantages of a more traditional woman but not abide by the more traditional roles myself), but there's the practical matter that she's also unemployed at the moment, and me insisting that she pay part of her way would basically be a deal-breaker.


It's funny...I don't think that until today, when she received packet 4, that it really sunk in to her that a) zomg this shiт‚ is really going to happen, and b) there's a lotta shiт involved in this process. She was pretty freaked out by it all, mostly because the forms (except the supplemental DS-156K) are in English. It was (as I mentioned) actually very funny and entertaining, although I'm sure I'm going to a deeper level of hell because I found it so funny. While she was sitting there freaking out, I was just thinking "welcome to a little taste of my world hon." :D

It did serve to give her a little kick in the pants though. Tomorrow she's going to "obtain" her shot record, get her passport photos, and work on getting translations done. Let me try to explain the magnitude of this feat through the use of a geological example: Nadya going out and doing all of this on one day would be like if the ancient super-continent of Pangea were to break up and re-form into the continents we know them as now, in about 4 hours. It would be like seeing the first and last dinosaur to walk the planet in about 11 seconds. It would be like if the last ice age took a mere tenth of a second to complete. It would be like...well I guess what I'm saying is that it's goddamned unprecedented. Oh Packet 4, where have you been all my life? Or...at least over the last month.

Hooray for the packet 4!


And Pangea breaking up in 4 hours? Dinosaurs walking, Ice ages, etc..... I watched 10,000 B.C. this weekend and there was a funny part in the movie where they were observing the pyramids getting built and the guys coming in on ships and all this new "technology" that they'd never seen before. One guy asked, "Where do they come from?" The answer, "From the stars!"

Seems like even back then they thought the pyramids were built by aliens.

I disagree. Because our "fiancées" are acquiring an immigration benefit through marriage, I think it is okay to be skeptical all the way until citizenship. If she is still with you with citizenship in hand, you can stop worrying about it. Too many stories of good gullible people being fooled, especially right here in on VJ.

Are there really that many cases where this happened and there weren't bright red flashing warning signs beforehand that the USC decided to ignore?

Anyone who marries a woman they are suspicious of is a fool.

I was married to a woman for many years who I trusted implicitly. Turned out she was cheating on me the entire marriage. If I'd have been suspicious, I'd have caught it early. But if she had been an honest woman and I was suspicious, then the marriage would have been a failure too. The best you can do is trust your partner. If you don't trust them, then you shouldn't propose to them until you trust them. During the relationship phase is when you need to work that out, not the commitment phase.

Thats what Elena did as well.

Not usually, but most USCs tend to ignore them because they're so "blissfully unaware" and want to believe that their fiancee/wife really does love them for them. I mean we're talking about cases, some of which the folks have met exactly ONCE before commiting to marriage, that are based entirely on "nice profile, wanna get married?" To believe that you can truly understand someone's motivations to the point of 100% trust in the relatively short period of contact is simply being whimsical. Sure there are fairy tale love stories that started with a mouse click, but the vast majority of these "point and click" marriages are a "learn as you go" process.

I agree with you that there are warning signs that should be adhered to and if ignored will lead to disaster. But I also believe along with Satellite that being 100% sure is being overconfident. There are lots of ways to reduce the risk, but it's always there no matter what. If you deny it's existence, then you're denying the truth.

That said, I also agree with mox that it should all be done in the relationship/courtship/whatever phase prior to the actual engagement and WAAAAAY prior to the "I dos." But, regardless of how much you know and trust, there's always that chance. You can take steps to minimize it, but you can't minimize it to zero no matter how hard you try. It's impossible.



Then I'm a fool because I trust my wife about as far as I can throw her. Now I believe most of what she says, but I will never, ever, ever ever ever trust a woman, any woman, 100% in my life. Just can't do it. It's the nature of the beast.



Can you look back on it now and say there was a correlation between your trust and her cheating? That perhaps your implicit trust created an environment where she was able to cheat? Not saying it was your trust that pushed her to cheat, but that you made it easier for her to do it once she reached that point.



It was a failure regardless. Honesty and suspicion were probably not the underlying factors, only the means to the end.



I disagree somewhat and will say the best thing you can do is be honest with your partner and then hold them accountable to your expectations and be willing to compromise to their expectations and respect their honesty as well. Being suspicious should never be necessary because the two of you should already be well aware of the other's actions and intentions, and if you're not, you damn well should be or else one of you is going to have to be dishonest somewhere down the road.

During the relationship is of course, the best time to figure all of this out. But, since we live in different countries, it's got to be figured out along the way as well. A good vibe and meeting a few times can give you a good sense of knowing if the person you're corresponding with is "the one" but these international marriages have to be worked on during the marriage. There's simply no time to do it before hand.

So, trust your spouse. But, hold that shadow of a doubt in your mind as well. More often than not, there are signs. It's how you "trust" to ignore them or not that will prove your success.

If you mean trust as in "I can't trust her with money," then ok. If you mean trust as in "I don't trust her not to cheat on me," then I think you're losing out on a lot of happiness.


Oh absolutely she took advantage of my implicit trust. No question about it. Yes, I definitely made it easier for her to cheat. But that's exactly my point: She's the one with the problem, not me. I can absolutely state with a clear conscious that I gave her every opportunity in the world *not* to cheat. Had I been the suspicious type, I'd have always wondered if my suspicious nature drove her to these behaviors.


See now I actually agree with this, but you're contradicting yourself.

Now having said all that, I certainly a lot less naive about things than I was previously. I won't be going out of my way to look for "the signs," but I'm pretty sure that if the signs are there I'll see them this time around. But living with someone you are suspicious of is just misery incarnate.

yes it was exactly 2 weeks I paid a little extra for that expedite service when you apply for the police certificate you choose if you need it in 2 or 4 weeks

For Kiev Consulate purposes the police certificate is valid up to one year... There is simply no reason that you cannot plan ahead and get it in plenty of time before the interview..... even if it takes 4 weeks or better... (my wife's took 3 weeks)

I never did really respond to the last round, anyway, complex issue, definitely just depends on the two individuals involved.

I'll close in saying simply because of the nature of the international relationship, there should be at minimum some increased skepticism. If you're a 100% trust-em kind of guy, then at least drop that down to 99.9%. It is a possibility. You decide how much. (And don't ignore the signs!)

Finally they gave me the police certificate ( took them 2 months) will translate and notarize it tomorrow, and will bring everything to kiev embasy on Thursday ( hope for that)
Does anyone know how long it takes for the consulate to review additional documentation and give an answer????
thanks

last thursday I was at Kiev consulate and left the file with all documents, I was asked to bring during interview,
is there i an timeframe for reviewing the additional docmentation after the interview???

how long is this police certificate good for?
and where would she go to get it? Local G.A.I?

The police certificate is valid for one year from the date of issuance. If you're looking to get a police certificate from Russia, you could go to the Information Center for Ministry of Internal Affairs in Russia, (your local city or region) Branch. At least that is what it is called in Tomsk.