GEEZ..

Actually not, not off topic. The OP opened the 'can of worms' by stating the reason for the passport being revoked. If she had just wanted advice on how to proceed w/out the passport, she could have just stated, "what are the options if USC's passport is revoked". She may have received some questions as to the why of it...but nothing to this extent.

I agree w/ N&T and others here.....this young man owes some $$ for support of his children, according to the state he resides in. It is his fault for letting things get this far (believe me, they don't revoke your passport b/cuz you didn't pay child support one month...it takes a while for things to get to this stage). I go right along w/ others in questioning....what the he!! was this husband doing letting his child support lapse so far behind, while he was fallin in love, courtin' and marrying in the PI? All of that costs $$, which he could have been using to pay his child support. So no...no sympathy here.

-P

No,a new passport.

Hello All -
I'm new to this site but wanted to throw in my .02 on this subject as I'm VERY, VERY familar with it...

I've been divorced for almopst 3 years now and my divorce decree stated I was to pay $857 per month in child support. I faithfully paid my ogbligation every month (paid with personal checks and noted "child support" in the memo area. Well - in October of 2007 (over 2 1/2 years after my divorce, my employer receives a notice from the Child Support Enforment Agency stating that effective my next pay date my employer was to withdraw the funds from my payroll check and forward them to the CSEA. I didn't have any problem with this as I had been paying ever since the date of my divorce anyway. Well - to make a long story short, I receive a letter in November from CSEA stating that I was $25,500 in arrears for non payment of child support. I immediately got on the phone and began leaving messages for the person who was the "case officer". I left no less than 25 voice mails and never once received a response. My deduction went from $857 per month to $1045 to pay the "arrears" that I owed. I went to the Child Support with EVERY cancelled check and finally met with the case officer after sitting there for 7 hours. I was told that under Ohio law that payments made directly to the parent counted as "gifts" and would not be applied to MY responsibilities. Even after producing 29 cancelled checks that clearly stated "child support" in the memo column, I was told that the only way that the arrearage would be taken off was if my ex wife agreed to go with me to the courthouse and agreed to have a journal entry made that the funds I had given her all this time were in fact child support. My ex and I do not have a cordial relationship but I asked her anyway. She laughed at me and told me that there was no way that she would do anything to help me. (BTW - I now actually have CUSTODY of my son but that also has no bearing on what the CSEA states I'm in arrearage on).
To add insult to injury, I went to renew my passport to take my trip to see Tatiana in Moldova (even paid extra to the State Dept to expedite my renewel). I recieved a notification that I had been placed on the passport denial list because I had arrearages in excess of $2500.
Again I went back on the phone and was told that all I needed to do was speak to the case officer and she had the authority to remove my name from this list and that since I was already paying the "arrearages" it wouldn't cost me anything to get my passport back.
The case officer basically told me that she was sorry for my luck and that if I wanted my passport all I needed to do was to write a check (actually bring a Cashiers check) for $25k. We went into a negotiation and I advised her that I didn't have 25k lying around and she wound up settling for $1,500 to release my name from the passport denial list.
I guess the point of my post is that sometimes the dad isn't the deadbeat and even when he does the right thing he can end up on the losing end. Anyone who says that the child support system isn't biased towards the mother is sadly mistaken. I'm niot defecding the guy who's now the subject of 50 some odd posts, all I'm trying to say is that there were a lot of people who expressed opinions who knew absolutely nothing about how the system works. I wish this guy good luck and advise him to try and reach a compromise with his child support case officer. He may in fact be able to get his passport released fairly easily with an acceptable payment arrangement. Who knows - maybe he isn't the peice of trash that some people made him out to be.
Alan

Hello,
I have read your story and yes, i believe with your opinion here..
Its just sometimes or most of the time people are easily judge others without knowing what's the real story behind these people. And that's a pity for those..
Anyway, I hope the OP will read this response, since i think she started unsubscribing herself from this thread , because of this easily thrown up criticism..

Good luck everyone.

The wife.

I will second this!

It is really sad when the system punishes a responsible dad who always paid the ex by check. Surely, it is painful for children who are caught between this. System should punish those who are really behind paying child support.

hello sir,

i read your reply in my post PASSPORT REVOKED... and actually many people here are throwing criticism to my husband and they really dont know what is story behind and the reason why my husband didn't able to pay the support..

Anyways at this time he is paying it off so it takes time for him to pay it in full but i still do believe that he can get me maybe next year i can fly in USA.. All im asking is help not criticism.

GOD bless you and thank you for sharing ur story about ur situation.. add me here sir if u want.

Kathy

Hi Kathy,
Well, we're supposedly here on this forum to help each other so even though it was painful to share my circumstances I felt like you needed someone's perspective who has been through what you and your husband are experiencing.
My advice to him is to have him call his case officer as I did and have him request that she remove his name from the denied list now that he is making payment arrangements. If the case officer refuses, he can still speak to the person who is in charge of the department that denies passports, suspends drivers licenses and professional licenses. I'm not saying that this will be easy due to all the red tape that occurs within the Child Support Enforcement Agency but it IS possible. BTW Kathy - your husband does not need to pay the ENTIRE arrearage - he only needs to get the amount of arrears under $2,500 so even if no one at CSEA helps him in getting his name off the list right now - at least he will get reinstated for his passport when the arrears drop under $2,500. Please don't hesitate to email me if there's any other information I can share. I'll help in any way possible.
Alan

It'd make more sense to hire a solid lawyer to fight these things, especially when they are clearly in the wrong.

But I do know that if someone couldn't pay their child support they have zero business sponsoring someone for immigration. And anyone who would trust a foreign spouse to tell you the truth is asking for a lot of trouble. Long distance hides a lot of things and when there are giant red flags, I'd require a lot more than just his word for why things are as they are.

Past that, the poster implies that he has two children by two different mothers. That's another red flag. Two babies. Two different mothers, and now he wants to bring someone from another country into the mix. If you love drama, this guy sounds like a real winner.

What red flag? What is a problem with having 2 children with 2 different mothers? How about a woman having children with 2 different guys? Shessshhh.

To the OP, good luck. I do not have experience with child support system in US myself so I do not have advise to give.

Google "definition of deadbeat dad" and see what comes up...

"a father who defaults on his obligation to provide financial support for his offspring "

"Deadbeat Dad is a pejorative term (primarily U.S.) that refers to men who have fathered a child but fail to pay child support ordered by a family law court or statutory agency such as the Child Support Agency."


Losing his passport simple serves to emphasize that he needs to take care of the family obligations he already has before assuming new ones with a new wife.

Gosh people can be SO judgmental without even knowing what is REALLY going on! It is easy to call someone a deadbeat dad when you don't know the details of the case.

My husband was in a very similar situation as az110965 and I was here to witness it, so I know it's the truth. My stepson's mom finally moved out of her mother's house and decided that the arrangement she had with my DH wasn't cutting it anymore and she wanted back child support for $7000. He did not owe her that money. We had to take the whole thing to Court where the judge finally agreed that she wasn't owed that money and actually told her that she was money hungry and you can't make an agreement with someone and then come back on it as "pay-back" (won't get into the whole story but had to do with custody battle). Anyways, it took months to get it all straightened out and he got some money garnished that shouldn't have been while waiting for the court date. He didn't have a passport at the time, but if he had, he would've been on the list.

So yeah don't be so quick to judge. Sometimes things are not as they seem.

Whatever the reasons.. he is still behind on his CS and has the money to court and marry another woman and sponsor her???
Sounds like, he needs to get his priorities right and she needs to seriously give it time and a lot of thinking....
Not to be judgemental, but right now isn't the priority to catch up on his CS than to be trying to get a new wife to the US
Just my $.02

I'm not overly keen on women who have children with multiple men, either.

The point is one of responsibility. So let's talk red flags -- if he were married to both of them, the new woman would be Mrs. #3. That's a red flag. If he didn't marry either of them, he is irresponsible by making not just one mistake, but two and then not living up to his obligations. That's a red flag. One baby out of wedlock, OK. I'll give that a pass. But two? Sorry. No pass. And further, birth control. It is readily available. So, he had sex without protection. (And we can get into a lot of discussions about forms of birth control but if he'd have used a condom he would not only minimise the spread of STDs but more than likely would have prevented two babies he can't afford to take care of.)

And how much you want to bet he can't wait to make a baby with his new woman?

Riddle me this -- would you tell your daughter that this guy is a good risk, good enough to leave your home country for?

thanks.. everyone deserves a second chance....

i trust my husband and he is now paying off his debts... i am patiently waiting and him too... were too young still (25)... so im not in a hurry to fly to USA...


It takes time...

Hey girl, message me back.

How comes he has money to file for YOU but not to pay his CHILD SUPPORT????

I'm sure he had them before you came about, so he needs to worry about that first.

ACTUALLY, my son's dad is perilously close to losing his house and I've told him not to pay until he CAN, so much for YOUR theory....If he WAS sick or unemployed, fair enough, he can WAIT until he has PAID the money he OWES, and THEN sponsor the OP.


I would lay money on YOU not knowing the FULL story either


Because she's OWED it????????

WTF???

Suppose someone owed YOU $30, 000 for over 20 years, you'd just write it off????????????????

I sure as hell wouldn't.

A second chance? Seems he had two chances not to make a baby and instead, he made two of them.

And he's only 25? Great. I'm sure your parents are very happy to know that their son-in-law is such a responsible person. Further, do you want a family? If so, how is he going to be able to afford one when he's already paying two different women for the families he already has?

To me, you are far too young to be involved with someone who has this kind of history and baggage because you're going to be paying along side of him for what he's done in the past. You are going to have some mighty large arguments with him over money and this issue and you're going to resent that his irresponsibility will prevent you from having the kind of life you'd like.

The only thing this guy has to offer is entry into the US. And by all rights, he shouldn't even be able to do that since that money is owed elsewhere.

would you all still love your spouse if ever he/she has a love child???

Me? I DO and its not about the past of the person you love, its you and him how to have a good and better future... In rich and in poorer, till death do us part... Thats the covenant we made and me or either him wont try to break that...

I'm not after USA.... its just a country and one day all of us will die and turn into dust. We can't bring any bucks or gold that we have in our own coffin except one thing our SOUL...

May you have a good soul and legacy while you're still alive and kicking in these wicked world... Life is short so be good to all men....


Hope all of you have a a great day..

Geez!! I just cant believe some people here. Anyway, their words/answers reflects to what kind of person they are.

And for you Jiskat, good luck to you and your husband, you'll surpass this, everything will be okay, its just a matter of time..
And its just a test of how strong your love is for each other.

And to some other people here , ESPECIALLY BAD POSTERS, you knew who you are. WISHING YOU SUCCESS in your loved ones.

The answer to your original question is yes, your husband can send a copy of his birth certificate as evidence of citizenship. You probably already know that but I haven't seen it posted as a straight answer.

Why the VJ moderators allow such judgmental off topic rants to remain visible baffles my mind.

A love child? How about a can't keep it in his pants child? Or make that children. Or how about a doesn't have responsible sex child?

And no, if my husband cheated and had a child outside of the marriage, I would divorce him so fast he wouldnt' know what hit him. But you married him after the fact. This guy wouldn't even be on my radar because he is not a suitable partner. But enjoy living in denial believing that love is all that matters. You'll soon find out that is far from the truth.

As for people who think that exercising judgement is a bad thing, again I challenge you to tell whether you'd recommend this guy to your daughter.

Bato- bato sa langit ang tamaan, nagagalit.

Google is hardly my dictionary. When I picture a "deadbeat" dad, I picture a man that shuts his children completely out of his life. Child support is only one aspect of being a "deadbeat" but the one everyone gets all in a tizzy over, IMHO. Who cares if he loves his children... Who cares if he visits the children... Who cares if he takes any interest in his children... Just keep those checks coming to the FORMER WIFE (supposedly for the children) so she can spend the money any ol' way she pleases and now you are father of the year! I'll say it again, having some financial woes and falling behind, by itself, does not make one a "deadbeat" dad.

those who are guilty, reacts..

So its not OK to use the term deadbeat dad for one who fails to pay child support, but its OK for you to keep implying that mothers don't use child support for children? I think that's more than a bit unfair! Cos, ya know that $75 in child support I'm supposed to get each month for my 3 kids would really allow me to live the high life. Mine, mine, mine all mine.

If you don't like people ragging on the deadbeat, you should set a better example and not cast apersions on the custodial mother.

Sorry, but if ya can't pay your child support than you shouldn't be getting involved in an expensive LDR.

Who is implying! I know a whole herd of women (including my former) that meet up once a month at a bar to spend some of the child support money on drinks. They even call it 'Get Drunk on the Ex" night. When women are forced to show an accounting where that child support money goes, then, maybe, I can start to feel some sympathy. I pay child support to assist my children not increase my former wife's wardrobe and give her a drunken night on the town. Also, what example are you referring I need set? I am not the one behind.

Well, KT, just as you don't like all dads being tarred with the same brush, I don't appreciate your tarring all moms with the same brush. Which is what I mean about setting and example. The old classic, do as I say not as I do, eh? Just because you know some idiots who use their chilren's support payments for personal use, doesn't mean all of us do! I'm only entitled to $75 a month (which I haven't gotten in ages) and I certainly would appreciate it, despite its low amount. It would pay for a pair of sneakers for one of my kids, or 2 & 1/2 counseling payments cos my kids are so damaged by their father's abuse. What I AM saying its just as wrong for you to generalize that all moms are using child support for drunken outings as it is for others to refer to all dads in child support arrears as deadbeat dads.

I hear you sister.

Wow! and I thought I had a good lawyer when I ONLY had to pay $1600/month... I should've had your ex's lawyer...

On a more serious note, divorce sucks. I'm not referring to the financial losses incurred by both sides but rather to the turmoil and tumolt to each of the parties' lives. Especially the children. It's NOT their fault the divorce occurred yet they are the ones that so often pay the biggest price and lose the most in the divorce.

THIS IS THE RIGHT ANSWER THAT I NEED... THANKS SIR!

When i met my husband he has already 2 kids.... still I accepted and loved him... Im so sweet! Harharhar.... God bless to all of us.

As I said, I can be more sympathetic when woman are required to show an accounting. My poorest divorced friend pays 5 times the amount you are receiving. I'm sorry this is all you receive, I agree, that is fair set of clothes for one child in a month. The system is still overall biased in favour of the women with regard to custody and financial support. I am not going to continue to debate this as it is a no win situation. Generally a woman and man will never agree. So let's leave it at that.

Hi, I just read this whole thread and wish you the best of luck.

I would like to also like to say that when i got my divorce my ex wasnt working he never works so my I didnt specify child support cause I knew I would never see any. My divorce was delayed cause the judge didnt want to grant me a divorce to an abusive drunken drug addictive bum. Anyways i had to get my lawyer to right up a letter explaining why he couldnt pay child support they never asked him for crap i had to prove it. Finaly got the divorce then within a few months the child support ppl that go after the fathers start to hound me saying i have to pursue child suppport. I have no clue where these ppl get there info from but they dont stop and its up to me to make them realize he doesnt have to pay cause he doesnt have money if you make less then 5k a year you dont pay, i dont think he even makes that well none that could be traced anyways. He was a real pro with financial abuse, i didnt even know it was abuse.
Anyways what i'm getting at is these agencies that go after the father also go after the mothers till they agree to let these ppl take control sometimes they are desperatly needed but times like mine they just harrasse the crap outta ppl like me and i have to deal with them every 6 months that when they review the casses again the guy will be dead and barried and i swear they will still bug me.

Sorry think my fever still has the best of me got a bit longer then wanted

Danielle

I agree, the birth certificate should suffice. Worry about the passport when he catches up on his child support. I raised my children, my ex-wife never bothered to pay me the child support but i never made an issue of it because I didn't need her money. I read the story about the chinese girl, had the adam walsh act been in effect at the time her husband would never have been able to petition her. Good luck to you....

Sir, can you give me the website about Adam Walsh Act? i want to know more about this please... thanks a lot.

$75 is too low.. tsk.. my husband is paying 250 per month every child (2 kids)... and he is only working in maintenance.. i guess it depends on the Agency.
Anyways, GOD bless you and the
family.

http://www.sequoyahcountysheriff.org/AdamW...ctExplained.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Walsh_Ch..._and_Safety_Act

Supposed? Not all Filipinos need to visit their families back to Philippines within 2 years...it depends how to work on to your financial, work and vacation time to spend....as a couple. ***PEACE***

Supposed? Not all Filipinos need to visit their families back to Philippines within 2 years...it depends how to work on to your financial, work and vacation time to spend....as a couple. ***PEACE***
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Too bad....he wants to petition for new spouse and cannot even support his own child.....sorry!!!

You expect everyone to give men the benefit of the doubt, but are unwilling to do the same for women. Well, at least you don't try to conceal your hypocrisy.

Despite the complaints of harsh judgment being passed in this thread, no one reported it to the moderation team.

That said, the OP had a question about an I-130 submission and a (child support related) passport issue.

A few folks provided useful answers, while others chose to criticize and pass judgment on the OP's spouse.

Criticism and personal attacks are completely opposite of the spirit and intent of Visa Journey and violate TOS. Members of VJ need help with immigration issues, not a judge and jury.

Stay on topic.

I love this part. My ex asked me for the same thing, to prove that every penny he paid for support was actually going to the kids. I obliged and kept track for one month of every penny I spent and even kept all the receipts. I took out expenses that were strictly mine which included things like dry cleaning and a birthday present I had purchased for a friend of mine. I took the remaining expenses (three people in the house me and my 2 kids) and allocated 2/3 of everything to costs involved in raising the kids. That included my monthly rent, gas, utilities, food, health and dental premiums, school supplies, haircuts, shampoo, bandaids, car payment and insurance, everything. I added it all up and divided it in half and provided the list. He stopped complaining about his $200/month child support payment when I proved that he was only paying about one-fifth as much as I was into raising the kids on a monthly basis. He never complained again about the cost of child support, but then again, he pretty much vanished after that and I haven't seen him or his child support in over 12 years. Neither have the kids.

In the end, for my ex, it was all about the money. For 2 years after the divorce, all he did was call me and complain about how much money he had to fork over for the kids and there was no way I spent it on the kids (at that time, they were in full time day care so I could work and was paying over $300/week just for that). Now, that he has decided it was all about the money and had nothing to do with the kids, our kids (one is in her last year of school and will graduate as an RN and the other is a junior in high school) want nothing to do with him. I hope it was worth it for the ex because although he was out that monstrous sum of $200/month over a 2 year period, it made him so angry and bitter that he wanted nothing to do with his only children (as far as I know) and his parents only grandchildren. I raised my children to believe that their father loved them but just was not capable of being involved in their lives. The kids haven't asked about him in years and now that they are adults, or near to it, they have never shown any inclination of finding him. All I can think is what a sad thing. To give up your kids and over such a small thing as money. These 2 kids, they are unique. There aren't 2 more like them anywhere on the planet and they are irreplaceable. You can always make more money.

Very well said Sir...

I don't think I would call that person responsible, more so...uh, stupid or naive.

People who pay child support, should know and have the common sense that they need to arrange the courts to receive the monies for the child, rather than 'trust' the ex. Then again COMMON SENSE isn't that common anymore.

You mean MONEY not MONIES