Hi

Fiance had interview today in Skopje. He did not get the visa due to not having the correct court certificate and they want more proof of relationship....This is what they supplied in an email but nothing formal....

Should they have sent me a 221G? I don't know what more proof we cna provide. I have visited 2 times, tons of pictures with his family, some emails, all phone calls. He is one year younger than me (10 months), I don't understand all of this?

He got a police certificate from his local city office. I don't know or can I find anyother one. They just said police certificate. I emailed them back say to be more specific and what types of proof do they need?

How much should I push them? I don;t want to overdo it because yes they have all control. Then they told him they have to review all the forms and stuff and possible another 3 months...He said they did this to about half the people from kosova that were there for the interview. They all had the wrong certificate.

I don't know. Any advice would be helpful

Thanks, in advance.

He should have been given the paper by hand. It would not have been mailed. Probably they want a police certificate that covers the country instead of the locality. Did he tell you exactly what the paper they gave him said?

This website may give you a little more information. The consulate themselves will be the ultimate source of the information though. Here is a list of Reciprocity for all counties just choose yours from the list in case it was just a police certificate error:

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/reciproc...ocity_3272.html

If you do not get an answer from the consulate on your own there are other options. You first want him to fax you a copy of the papers they gave him. You can then email more persuasively or call them, though it costs $15 and I'm not sure if it's just an appointment line or includes information: http://macedonia.usembassy.gov/general_iv.html

Next, if the calls or emails don't work. . . you will want to either sent a letter (snail mail) to the Consul General http://macedonia.usembassy.gov/bio.html herself and/or get your Senator/Congressional Rep's liason involved. They can sometimes get more specific information.

Thanks for your help. That website with the countries.It does not help since kosovo is neither part of Macedonia nor part of Serbia. They have been governed by the United Mission in Kosovo.

I will talk to fiance again tomorrow and find out more. We spoke tonight and he is sick, tired, upset and everything else.

I sent them an email hopefully they will reply, they have in the past today 10 minutes after I sent my email. I hope they don't think I am a crazy stalker girl......heheh

I thought today was going to be a happy day but it was not....

Normally they will ask for 2 certificates: 1 is police certificate (which says you have never been convicted) and the other one is court certificate which says you do not have any charges against you as far as court knows. This is true for Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia and I am guessing it should apply for Kosovo too. Usually takes 2 days to get the court certificate.

Have your fiance ask for this one and if one is unavailable he should provide the embassy with the info and they will take it from there.

Best of luck to you and hang in there,

M

Thanks. They told him it would take at least 10 days. I don't know it might be a country certificate or something. They told him he has to go to this place which is far to get it.

Thanks for your help

If they want more "proofs of relationships" you can provide letters from friends and family saying they know you are both engaged, how long you have been together...

Make photocopies of exit/entry stamps of your passport showing when you visited his country....

Print out emails if possible....

I don't really know what else to tell you since you did not show what the 221(g) form or the email from the Embassy.

Best of luck to you..

You will get it all done! Be VERY happy that they reply at all! And eccstatic that they reply that quickly!

Yes, I got a reply today from them. Stating he needs this certificate and they need more proof of relationship. We submitted the following:

1. Over 200 hundred pictures
2. All the phone calls since filing the 129f ( I figured they would have the other proof that I sent with the I129F?)
3. A few emails
4. Copy of passport, boarding pass, Itinerary, from second trip.
We talk more on IM now since Fiance connected to internet at home. I don't have any records of that only earlier.


They told me the burden of proof was on me. I cant possibbly think of anything else? Only stuff from interview forward. I can have my friends and family write a letter. I can write one on my behalf

They want more. I dont have any more. Sometimes we would talk for over an hour a day.

I guess I also feel offended that they think it is not a bonafide relationship. I mean why would I waste my time or energy on something like this if it is not somethign I want.

They do receive all the information and proof I sent with the 129f?

I feel like writing them back that we will send more but they need to also open there eyes and look at what they have and see it for what it is. THe guy at interview asked my fiance why I did not stay longer over there. I am in a job where the first 2 weeks of the month we are not able to take vacation due to work load and it being month end. Do you know how hard it is to take off 2 weeks at one time for me.....My fiance explained this to them and they said I am lying everyone in goes over there for longer. I don't if they are provoking him or what. I mean yeah I can go and quit my job and stay there for longer but than they will say I have no income and deny him for that. It is a no win situation.

I don't know how others wait months and years to get through this BS.

What is this DOS number I found to check a case? Can I call them?

Fiance will be going to get this certificate so hopefully they have time to review whatever they need to
Thanks

Now what I have is evidence for establishing a Martial Bona Fide Relationship. But I'm sure you can take of few of these and use them in your case.
-bank books or bank statements with dated transactions which show names of both of you and your spouse
-any letters which you and your significant other received addressed to both of you
-any leters or cards exchanged between you and your sign. other during your courtship
-statements from acquaintances knowing about your relationship and having seen you and your significant other together
-copies of telephone bills showing calls made between you and your sig. other
-any photos taken of you and your significant other either alone or together(make sure to write a short description of each photo)
-any receipt for a purchase you may have made together that lists both of your names-such as furniture.

sorry not edited for spelling. Hope this helps

Good advice there from Neworleansbound.

Don't assume they have the proof you sent with your I-129F - they probably do, but resend it anyway.

You mention a copy of passport, boarding pass etc from your second trip. Where is the information from the first trip?

Do you have any hard copy letters to each other, any cards you sent, post cards - anything like that?

Oh I visited 2 times, first time stuff was sent with the I-129f - Boarding passes everything.

Just now, sent secon boarding pass itinerary and all passport stamps. I guess I will put everything together again and resend.

No hardcopy letters or cards. Mail is so bad there. He never got the packets from the embassy and had to have them picked up. I am not a card type of person or letter type of person. I will have my family write some letters along with friends. I am just hoping once they get the police certificate they need everything will be okay. Just wishful thinking

In addition to YOUR family and friends, also include letters from HIS family and friends. Any one you met or spent time with together when you were there will be helpful. It is more likely that they are assuming he is the one frauding you, not that you are both in it together. Having his family and friends supporting you both is equally or maybe even more important to dispute that assumption on their part. THey don't have to be notarized but should include how they met you, how happy you seem together or what event/situation you met, etc. basically something to illustrate familiarity with you as a couple.

Definately assume they don't have any of the original relationship evidence you submitted and submit it again. If you have a log that shows the times you were logged onto IM and chatting, print that log out too. Doesn't have to be all of the actual chats, but even a log is helpful.

Make sure you do ALL you can to overwhelm them with evidence so they don't act on their assumptions and return your petition. Believe me, you don't want that to happen.

Good luck!!

Sorry to hear about the interview i know how you feel, my husband experiened a come back later a few weeks ago, When my husband got his police certificate, it listed if he had ever been convicted of a crime and there was also a page with finger prints on it. I would have your fiance go back to the embassy and ask where to obtain this information and also my husbands embassy in Nigeria would not accept phone cards, we had to get phone records. And for more evidence have friends of his and yours write letters saying they either saw you together or know of your wedding and if you have made wedding plans send copies of the invitations etc... We filed the CR-1 we are already married but either way they want tons of proof... I wish you the best... God Bless

Good advice from everyone. Also, if you communicate by IM, print out your chat logs....include those. You need to show the daily constant communication. If you now talk via IM, print out that information and send it to them...if the call logs have tapered off recently since he has internet, you need to supplement that w/ your IM records, so they see the communication has not cooled off.

Good luck,
-P

How do you print logs from IM? We use MSN messenger. That is another issue. New policy at work. No Iming allowed anymore. So I sneak in using a web version of MSN messenger. IT has not blocked this one yet or else we talk on IM using Mobile IM. I mean they should realize there are so many ways of communication these days It is not like 40 years ago....And I bet it was alot easier 40 years ago to get a visa.

But I will tell him to have his family write some letters to bring and mine too.

I bet you the ones that are "frauding" get a visa real easy since they prob know the game very well!!!!!

THanks for the help!!!!!!!!!

OH yeah so would this be considered Administrative Processing even though it does not say that on the form? The form just says need : additional certificate and more evidence of relationship.......

Administrative processing, there are a lot of meanings to that word, so I wouldn't worry about that too much.

You can log MSN messages, I don't know about the web version, but it is an option on the 'local' version, however you probably don't have it flagged on your computer as such - so nothing to be done there. You might want to start now though, just in case they still want more evidence.

To do this:

View and save conversations

In the main MSN Messenger window or the Conversation window, click the Tools menu, and then click Options.
Click the Messages tab.
Under Message History, check Automatically keep a history of my conversations.
Click OK to save your messages in the default folder location.
—or—
Click Change, and then select the location where you want to save your messages.
Note: The first time you close a conversation window after talking with a contact, a dialog box will appear, asking if you want to keep a history of all of your messages. Selecting Yes in this dialog box will automatically save your instant message conversations in a folder on your computer.

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This is for all VJers, especially myangel2. I hope you all can give me some advice here. I have been visiting many forums on VJ with the hope of finding someone whose visa journey is similar to mine and maybe, share ideas on how to remedy the situation.

My fiancee's K-1 application was denied at the U.S. Consulate in Lagos, Nigeria in September 2007. According to the short letter they gave her then, the reason for the denial was: [color="#0000FF"]The relationship that is purported in this petition is not a real relationship. This is a relationship established for immigration purposes only.[/color] The Consulate subsequently returned our petition to USCIS in California. We weren't even given the opportunity to appeal.

But my fiancee and I did have a genuine relationship. In December 2007, I went to Nigeria and we got married on January 2, 2008. I filed an I-130 upon return to the U.S. My question is, what do I do to remedy the September 2007 denial so that she would not have the same experience when she is invited for an interview the second time? Based on what I have been reading, I would need to file I-601. Would I need to? My fiancee has never committed any crime, has no police record, has never been deported, and has no communicable diseases. I need some advice, pleeeeeease.

I am sorry that you are going to go through this. Did they say why they think it is not a valid relationsip? I would start a new topic with this. I think you will get a better response.

Your basically in Administrative processing still. You have not reached the ground of denial and returned petition. The problem is that if you can't appease them that is where you will be.

You need to find a way to print chat logs that are dated. Send as much evidence as you can possibly think of. And be glad that they are at least giving you an opportunity to prove it. In Morocco they just send it back, even if they don't see any evidence. That is when you are on a long road.

Start now!

You know, we started talking in November of 2003, and I had no idea that you needed this kind of proof until July of the following year. I do believe that the skilled fraudsters have this figured out while us newbies have to learn everything the hard way. Luckily I read and read and read once I realized that I had to not only prove that I was married, but had to prove it was real.

And its like was said, who would go through this torture for money? Honey, he couldn't have paid me enough dough to go through this crap! The only thing that made it worth it was pure and simple love.

This was an article that is being passed around the family based immigration forum

--which this forum apparently doesn't want us to type the address for, which seems weird because they have the same intentions! It edited it to stars so I had to edit the post. . .if you want to go there just google family based immigration and it will pop up--

it seems to be very helpful and informative with type of consular issue. It may be more complicated now that you are married.

http://www.ilw.com/articles/2006,0323-ellis.shtm

Everything will be all right. Get the papers the embassy wants and your case should be cleared. I wish you will get the visa issued in the near future.

Tammy

my fiance received a 221(g) for missing court and district attorney certificates

he got both certificates, notarized and translated into english all within 24 hours...he was issued the visa the next day...its really easy...in albanian the certificates are called 'Vertetim di Drejtuesi I Prokurorise' and 'Vertetim di Kryetari I Gjykates', they cost something really small, like 100 lek a peice. He can get them at the 'Prokuriria' and 'Gjkaten'...honestly i dont know exactly what all that means in english, i think the gjkaten is the court house and the prokuriria, im not sure...if he asks someone where he lives, im sure he can find out...i could have you speak to my fiance about obtaining the documents in tirana, but i dont think that will help you since your fiance is kosovar...i wish you luck, and hope that helped you out.

Thanks!

How did your interview go otherwise? Does he have to wait for a new interview date now that he has the documents?
Did they approve the visa and are just waiting on the documents?

I hope it went well.

the interview other than that went very well...the consular officer asked him a lot of questions about our relationship (probably about 15-20 questions, i will post them later today in an embassy review), but he answered them all correctly and was able to provide evidences to back up his responses...he was just missing those two documents...they told him that once he has the documents and gets them notatized and translated that he should come back monday-thursday at 1pm...since our interview was wednesday, we came back the next day (thursday) at 1pm...they let him in with almost no wait at all, and he was out of there within a half an hour with the approval...they told him to come back the next day (friday) at 11:30 am to pick up the visa...and that was that! he will be here on the 25th good luck to you!

I don't know how I missed this one. Hon, I had it happen to me. I didn't know where to turn either. Read this link, it will guide you.
http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3896