Meriem_setif
Apr 26 2006, 07:23 PM
It really hurts my heart to hear this news. I am so sorry that this happened to you. Please dont be embarrased. We are all here to support you. I know it is tuff for you now. I will keep you in my prayers and hope you get your life back on track soon.
meriem
Oly
Apr 26 2006, 07:25 PM
We are sorry to hear that

. We have been following your process too. We cant believe she played with your feelings. In our opinion, you should report her to inmigration as soon as possible, just find out more about the other guy. You will be in our prayers
OLY AND DIDIER
Nessa
Apr 26 2006, 07:34 PM
QUOTE(robertlaird @ Apr 26 2006, 04:48 PM)

I suspected something was up so I installed a software on my computer to track email and messenger. She is professing her love to someone and making plans to flee in the country. ...
Robert
Just a thought, is that legal? I mean installing programs to track e-mail and messenger? Can you use it against her without causing you any problems later? Cuz if that's not legal you have nothing to do but talk to her, you won't be able to use that as evidence of anything and she'll use that against you.
gsmaclean
Apr 26 2006, 07:37 PM
QUOTE(nessaandcharles @ Apr 26 2006, 08:34 PM)

QUOTE(robertlaird @ Apr 26 2006, 04:48 PM)

I suspected something was up so I installed a software on my computer to track email and messenger. She is professing her love to someone and making plans to flee in the country. ...
Robert
Just a thought, is that legal? I mean installing programs to track e-mail and messenger? Can you use it against her without causing you any problems later? Cuz if that's not legal you have nothing to do but talk to her, you won't be able to use that as evidence of anything and she'll use that against you.
It's his computer, he can do whatever he wants. Companies are free to use this type of software on their employees, you are certainly free to use it on your own computer, regardless of who is using it. It's completely legal.
Now if you use information captured this way for illegal purposes - that's another story entirely.
MPGGPM
Apr 26 2006, 07:44 PM
QUOTE(robertlaird @ Apr 26 2006, 03:48 PM)

I am embarressd to post time but my fiancee is here from Bogota and think here under false pretenses. I suspected something was up so I installed a software on my computer to track email and messenger. She is professing her love to someone and making plans to flee in the country. If I book here a return flight to Bogota do I need to escort her home. The flight has a connection in Houston. If her plan is to flee she could run at the airport or never make the connection in Houston is flying by herself. I can not belive this is happening but what is my responsibilty to make sure she leaves the country? Wow a almost a year to get a visa, and one week to find out it is all bogus.
Thanks for your help/advice
Robert
I wouldn't think you had any more responsibility than the consulate/government institution that gave her the visa in the first place. As much as they had no idea in the end she'd apparently turn out to be dishonest, I don't see how the responsibilty on your end would be any more than theirs. They looked at all her evidence/documents , and couldn't forsee this happening. How could your responsibility be any greater than theirs?
I can't see how you could be held liable, because then you could blame the US government for just as much of the responsibility since after looking at all the evidence from her, in the end it was THEY that gave her the visa. If she was able to fool them, it shouldn't be too hard to see how she could have fooled you .
Good luck.
Nessa
Apr 26 2006, 07:46 PM
QUOTE(gsmaclean @ Apr 26 2006, 09:37 PM)

QUOTE(nessaandcharles @ Apr 26 2006, 08:34 PM)

QUOTE(robertlaird @ Apr 26 2006, 04:48 PM)

I suspected something was up so I installed a software on my computer to track email and messenger. She is professing her love to someone and making plans to flee in the country. ...
Robert
Just a thought, is that legal? I mean installing programs to track e-mail and messenger? Can you use it against her without causing you any problems later? Cuz if that's not legal you have nothing to do but talk to her, you won't be able to use that as evidence of anything and she'll use that against you.
It's his computer, he can do whatever he wants. Companies are free to use this type of software on their employees, you are certainly free to use it on your own computer, regardless of who is using it. It's completely legal.
Now if you use information captured this way for illegal purposes - that's another story entirely.
ah ok. Maybe i was confusing with bugging telephone, that's illegal, right? Or maybe i just watch too many american movies
Razor
Apr 26 2006, 07:57 PM
A wife who installed spyware on her husband's computer to secretly record evidence of an extramarital affair violated state law.
http://news.com.com/Court+Wife+broke+law+w..._3-5577979.htmlDon't worry, there are plenty of fish in the sea
charles!
Apr 26 2006, 08:13 PM
on another note...something you might consider doing now!
secure all account numbers, credit cards, credit card numbers, and so on.
if you can check your credit cards and bank accounts on line, i'd suggest you do so, and frequently. find out how you can put a fraud alert with the credit reporting agencies on your ssn now rather than later. just in case, as this will save some valuable time.
what concerns me is her being in the house, has ulterior motives, and you have a gold mine of id theft there should she decide to take advantage of it.
good luck
Nessa
Apr 26 2006, 08:18 PM
QUOTE(Razor @ Apr 26 2006, 09:57 PM)

A wife who installed spyware on her husband's computer to secretly record evidence of an extramarital affair violated state law.
http://news.com.com/Court+Wife+broke+law+w..._3-5577979.htmlDon't worry, there are plenty of fish in the sea
ah so i was right, not crazy

it is a crime. Interesting, i wonder in how many states it's a crime.
charles!
Apr 26 2006, 08:25 PM
QUOTE(nessaandcharles @ Apr 26 2006, 08:18 PM)

QUOTE(Razor @ Apr 26 2006, 09:57 PM)

A wife who installed spyware on her husband's computer to secretly record evidence of an extramarital affair violated state law.
http://news.com.com/Court+Wife+broke+law+w..._3-5577979.htmlDon't worry, there are plenty of fish in the sea
ah so i was right, not crazy

it is a crime. Interesting, i wonder in how many states it's a crime.
good point. might be worthwhile to see what the state law is for his state before he talks to ice. otherwise he might be convicting himself.
what state is he in?
charles!
Apr 26 2006, 08:56 PM
upon reviewing his profile, it's washington state. the following is interesting reading for people in washington state.
http://prologue.typepad.com/lifes_prologue...lds_right_.htmlblah. i feel so sorry for him
tjv2000
Apr 26 2006, 09:07 PM
You can withdraw your petition at anytime before the 90 days or before the marriage.
jasman0717
Apr 26 2006, 09:19 PM
QUOTE(LMR @ Apr 26 2006, 03:07 PM)

You see the evidence for yourself so she's got no leg to stand on. She living a lie. Get rid of her and move on. She is just using you.
lipslikesugar
Apr 26 2006, 09:31 PM
QUOTE(robertlaird @ Apr 26 2006, 02:48 PM)

I am embarressd to post time but my fiancee is here from Bogota and think here under false pretenses. I suspected something was up so I installed a software on my computer to track email and messenger. She is professing her love to someone and making plans to flee in the country. If I book here a return flight to Bogota do I need to escort her home. The flight has a connection in Houston. If her plan is to flee she could run at the airport or never make the connection in Houston is flying by herself. I can not belive this is happening but what is my responsibilty to make sure she leaves the country? Wow a almost a year to get a visa, and one week to find out it is all bogus.
Thanks for your help/advice
Robert
Robert, I think you should contact the INS and ask their advise.
Matt_Stevens
Apr 26 2006, 09:52 PM
I agree with that advice. I also must WARN you Robert that it is now common practice for these law violators to claim abuse and that will resort in YOUR rights being violated by the US Government, which is sadly insane when it comes to claims of spousel abuse. The man gets the shaft and is assumed guilty until proven innocent.
There is ample evidence to show this. Do a google search and you will be shocked by what you find.
Call INS right now. And very sorry you have to go through this. It is the big nightmare we all hope never happens to us.
David&Erin_Owens
Apr 26 2006, 09:58 PM
QUOTE(Razor @ Apr 26 2006, 08:57 PM)

A wife who installed spyware on her husband's computer to secretly record evidence of an extramarital affair violated state law.
http://news.com.com/Court+Wife+broke+law+w..._3-5577979.htmlDon't worry, there are plenty of fish in the sea
She put the software on her HUSBANDS computer. The OP installed the software on HIS computer. She's not even his wife yet. There was no law broken.
meddykomp
Apr 26 2006, 09:58 PM
QUOTE(desert_fox @ Apr 26 2006, 05:08 PM)

Wow..this sucks.
I assume that you meant that she is fleeing to be with someone who is already here in the US, and for some reason could not petition for her.
She is a grown adult. Let her flee all by herself at the other guy's expense.
Just report her to Immigration on what happened.
She thinks she can run off to some other guy....she is in for the big surprize. This guy will never be able to do anything to make her legal...never!!! you won.
She cannot adjust status to anyone else based upon the law. YOU ACTUALLY WON in the end.
Just make sure that you report her to the proper authority and let her go. sucks now but you will get the last laugh.
good luck to you.
I doubt this was a contest that he was trying to win. Robert my thoughts are with you. I know how much it hurts when you love someone and find they have betrayed you. I do agree with the people who have said you need to document your proof (maybe a few copies just to be safe) because what you dont need is for her to throw some salt into your wounds by making false claims. I hope that your heart can heal quickly and that you find the love you deserve.
Angel
charles!
Apr 26 2006, 10:17 PM
QUOTE(David&Erin_Owens @ Apr 26 2006, 09:58 PM)

QUOTE(Razor @ Apr 26 2006, 08:57 PM)

A wife who installed spyware on her husband's computer to secretly record evidence of an extramarital affair violated state law.
http://news.com.com/Court+Wife+broke+law+w..._3-5577979.htmlDon't worry, there are plenty of fish in the sea
She put the software on her HUSBANDS computer. The OP installed the software on HIS computer. She's not even his wife yet. There was no law broken.
depends on the particular state law. as he is in washington, it seems such is against the law.
the below link cites a case where parents cannot even put it on the computer their kids use.
(corrected link from the above - mea culpa)
http://prologue.typepad.com/lifes_prologue...lds_right_.html
tjv2000
Apr 26 2006, 10:19 PM
You can call the USCIS National Customer Service Center at 800-375-5283. Give the receptionist who answers your call a brief description of what happened and ask them to transfer you to an Immigration Agent. You call will be transfered and you can tell your story to the agent and go from there.
David&Erin_Owens
Apr 26 2006, 10:21 PM
QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Apr 26 2006, 11:17 PM)

QUOTE(David&Erin_Owens @ Apr 26 2006, 09:58 PM)

QUOTE(Razor @ Apr 26 2006, 08:57 PM)

A wife who installed spyware on her husband's computer to secretly record evidence of an extramarital affair violated state law.
http://news.com.com/Court+Wife+broke+law+w..._3-5577979.htmlDon't worry, there are plenty of fish in the sea
She put the software on her HUSBANDS computer. The OP installed the software on HIS computer. She's not even his wife yet. There was no law broken.
depends on the particular state law. as he is in washington, it seems such is against the law.
the below link cites a case where parents cannot even put it on the computer their kids use.
http://prologue.typepad.com/lifes_prologue...lds_right_.htmlI tried to view the link, but it's giving me an error....if you could try it again, I'd really like to read it!
jasman0717
Apr 26 2006, 10:22 PM
QUOTE(tjv2000 @ Apr 26 2006, 08:19 PM)

You can call the USCIS National Customer Service Center at 800-375-5283. Give the receptionist who answers your call a brief description of what happened and ask them to transfer you to an Immigration Agent. You call will be transfered and you can tell your story to the agent and go from there.
charles!
Apr 26 2006, 10:24 PM
QUOTE(David&Erin_Owens @ Apr 26 2006, 10:21 PM)

QUOTE(charlesandnessa @ Apr 26 2006, 11:17 PM)

QUOTE(David&Erin_Owens @ Apr 26 2006, 09:58 PM)

QUOTE(Razor @ Apr 26 2006, 08:57 PM)

A wife who installed spyware on her husband's computer to secretly record evidence of an extramarital affair violated state law.
http://news.com.com/Court+Wife+broke+law+w..._3-5577979.htmlDon't worry, there are plenty of fish in the sea
She put the software on her HUSBANDS computer. The OP installed the software on HIS computer. She's not even his wife yet. There was no law broken.
depends on the particular state law. as he is in washington, it seems such is against the law.
the below link cites a case where parents cannot even put it on the computer their kids use.
http://prologue.typepad.com/lifes_prologue...lds_right_.htmlI tried to view the link, but it's giving me an error....if you could try it again, I'd really like to read it!

for some reason the site keeps changing the link. i've checked it several times before submitting
please remove the spaces i put in it intentionally in hopes that the link is not changed
http://prologue. typepad.com/ lifes_ prologue/ 2004/12/ a_childs _right_.html
ryecatcher25
Apr 26 2006, 10:25 PM
QUOTE(Razor @ Apr 26 2006, 07:57 PM)

A wife who installed spyware on her husband's computer to secretly record evidence of an extramarital affair violated state law.
http://news.com.com/Court+Wife+broke+law+w..._3-5577979.htmlDon't worry, there are plenty of fish in the sea
just make sure the next fish is within a decade of your age and you probbly won't have this problem next time.
charles!
Apr 26 2006, 10:26 PM
QUOTE(ryecatcher25 @ Apr 26 2006, 10:25 PM)

QUOTE(Razor @ Apr 26 2006, 07:57 PM)

A wife who installed spyware on her husband's computer to secretly record evidence of an extramarital affair violated state law.
http://news.com.com/Court+Wife+broke+law+w..._3-5577979.htmlDon't worry, there are plenty of fish in the sea
just make sure the next fish is within a decade of your age and you probbly won't have this problem next time.
that's uncalled for rye
ryecatcher25
Apr 26 2006, 10:32 PM
yeah i apoligize, but still it is something that should be considered in the future.
charles!
Apr 26 2006, 10:33 PM
QUOTE(ryecatcher25 @ Apr 26 2006, 10:32 PM)

yeah i apoligize, but still it is something that should be considered in the future.
i'm sure if the shoes were on your feet you'd not appreciate such a comment. try at least to have some compassion. after all, he's one of us - a usc - trying to do what he feels is right.
snz1802
Apr 26 2006, 10:49 PM
I am so sorry to hear this, I remember seeing your posts in the beginning phases....I hope you get things take care of and resolved in the best way you can, wishing you the best
~Stacey
Vagina Journey
Apr 26 2006, 10:58 PM
Robert best of luck in whatever route you decide to take, ~Kelle
Luis&Laura
Apr 26 2006, 11:00 PM
Sorry to hear about that and hope youŽll be well after all this passes.
David&Erin_Owens
Apr 26 2006, 11:05 PM
QUOTE(ryecatcher25 @ Apr 26 2006, 11:25 PM)

QUOTE(Razor @ Apr 26 2006, 07:57 PM)

A wife who installed spyware on her husband's computer to secretly record evidence of an extramarital affair violated state law.
http://news.com.com/Court+Wife+broke+law+w..._3-5577979.htmlDon't worry, there are plenty of fish in the sea
just make sure the next fish is within a decade of your age and you probbly won't have this problem next time.
That's just rude. You shouldn't make personal judgements on anyone else's relationships. He didn't ask for advice on whom he should marry, and so therefore you should keep comments like those to yourself.
Robin28
Apr 27 2006, 12:25 AM
The reality is .. that it is never one persons place to judge another ! Life is filled with choices that need to be made .. and we are all human... we don't always make the right ones .. it's that simple. All of us have most probably experienced heart ache of some kind .. We grow and we change and we learn from our mistakes .. and from our pain without the added insult of being judged by a stranger with little information ........ You will remain in my thoughts
Robin ~
markv
Apr 27 2006, 06:40 AM
QUOTE(robertlaird @ Apr 26 2006, 02:48 PM)

I am embarressd to post time but my fiancee is here from Bogota and think here under false pretenses. I suspected something was up so I installed a software on my computer to track email and messenger. She is professing her love to someone and making plans to flee in the country. If I book here a return flight to Bogota do I need to escort her home. The flight has a connection in Houston. If her plan is to flee she could run at the airport or never make the connection in Houston is flying by herself. I can not belive this is happening but what is my responsibilty to make sure she leaves the country? Wow a almost a year to get a visa, and one week to find out it is all bogus.
Thanks for your help/advice
Robert
Robert I was wondering what made you think something was up in the first place.
Sorry things look bad,but you never really know why people do the things they do.
Better to find out now I guess then later.
vickky
Apr 27 2006, 06:54 AM
sorry to hear this , what an ill feelin this might caused u, take time and follow ur heart, best of goodluck
vick
dmartmar
Apr 27 2006, 07:39 AM
QUOTE
Not to be nosy or anything but; how did you guys meet? Did you get to know her well before you started the K1 process?
Hey, it doesn't matter how long he knew her for or didn't. My ex-wife tried to pull the same trick on me after 1 year and a half of dating IN PERSON! You just can't imagine how some immigrants are great actors and should be nominated for Oscars.
In my case, I got the 'CIS to send her packin' back home, empty-handed. Score one for the good guys!
Jenn!
Apr 27 2006, 07:44 AM
QUOTE(dmartmar @ Apr 27 2006, 08:39 AM)

QUOTE
Not to be nosy or anything but; how did you guys meet? Did you get to know her well before you started the K1 process?
Hey, it doesn't matter how long he knew her for or didn't. My ex-wife tried to pull the same trick on me after 1 year and a half of dating IN PERSON!
I think it's totally relevant. Of course there are exceptions, as in your case, but wouldn't you say that, in general, it's harder to keep that act up if you know someone for years before starting the immigration process?
Matt_Stevens
Apr 27 2006, 08:17 AM
I think it is perfectly OK to point out that older men in this country are putting a loaded pistol to their head and hoping it doesn't go off when getting involved with a much younger woman from overseas. The chances for fraud are greater than the chances she is honest and loves you. This is just a simple fact that cannot be avoided.
Of course, that doesn't change the pain Robert is going through and my heart goes out to him. I hope she gets her @ss deported because that is what she deserves.
*entitlements_yay
Apr 27 2006, 08:25 AM
QUOTE(ryecatcher25 @ Apr 26 2006, 10:25 PM)

QUOTE(Razor @ Apr 26 2006, 07:57 PM)

A wife who installed spyware on her husband's computer to secretly record evidence of an extramarital affair violated state law.
http://news.com.com/Court+Wife+broke+law+w..._3-5577979.htmlDon't worry, there are plenty of fish in the sea
just make sure the next fish is within a decade of your age and you probbly won't have this problem next time.
To all. My apologies in advance for diverting from topic but I cannot let this idjit's, ryecatcher, comments go unnoticed.
ryecatcher- You clearly have some issues to deal with as you are the worst kind of bigot. My wife and I are happily married with a 25 year age spread!
There are many others with here in these forums with similar age differences. Keep your twisted opinions to yourself from this point out,
[please!
Back to the topic-
Robert, sorry to hear of your troubles. I think you know, intuitively what you need to do.
Good luck!
Mand
Apr 27 2006, 08:28 AM
QUOTE(gsmaclean @ Apr 26 2006, 07:48 PM)

First: document, document, document. If you have evidence on the computer, record it. Print it out. Make sure it is datestamped. If there are phone calls on your phone bill, keep records of them. Do this on an ongoing basis, to build up as much evidence of what is going on as is possible. This is to protect yourself should she in future decide to claim abuse against you or some other method of legally staying in the US.
Second: Once you have no question of what is actually going on, confront her. Find out her intentions. You never know, she may decide to capitulate and stay with you - although whether or not you would want to stay with her would likely be in doubt.
Third: Contact USCIS. Tell them your situation. Describe to them the evidence you have. Tell them you expect her to flee and overstay. Tell them she entered using a fraudulent K-1, and that you are the unknowing USC petitioner. USCIS takes a VERY DIM VIEW of fraud. They will do one of three things:
- nothing
- deport her (probably expedited removal)
- charge her with fraud, and then deport her (probably expedited removal)
No matter what, protect yourself. Remember, you are the victim at this point, and you need to do everything you can to protect yourself. And the best way you have right now is to document EVERYTHING.

Sound advice there for you Robert. Chin up and hope you are doing ok today.
*entitlements_yay
Apr 27 2006, 08:28 AM
QUOTE(Matt_Stevens @ Apr 27 2006, 08:17 AM)

I think it is perfectly OK to point out that older men in this country are putting a loaded pistol to their head and hoping it doesn't go off when getting involved with a much younger woman from overseas. The chances for fraud are greater than the chances she is honest and loves you. This is just a simple fact that cannot be avoided.
Of course, that doesn't change the pain Robert is going through and my heart goes out to him. I hope she gets her @ss deported because that is what she deserves.
Another one of those incredibly stupid comments!
Once again, bigoted opinon based on nothing more than narrow minded prejudice.
tmma
Apr 27 2006, 08:31 AM
QUOTE(ryecatcher25 @ Apr 26 2006, 10:25 PM)

QUOTE(Razor @ Apr 26 2006, 07:57 PM)

A wife who installed spyware on her husband's computer to secretly record evidence of an extramarital affair violated state law.
http://news.com.com/Court+Wife+broke+law+w..._3-5577979.htmlDon't worry, there are plenty of fish in the sea
just make sure the next fish is within a decade of your age and you probbly won't have this problem next time.
How insensitive!

Do you really think that comment helped in any way, other than to have a quick shot at making someone who already feels hurt and used more miserable?
Anyway-Robert-I am so sorry.
I am sure in your heart you know what you must do.
best wishes to you-take care-we are all here to support you in any way we can!
Michele.
Jenn!
Apr 27 2006, 08:33 AM
QUOTE(kaydee457 @ Apr 27 2006, 09:28 AM)

QUOTE(Matt_Stevens @ Apr 27 2006, 08:17 AM)

I think it is perfectly OK to point out that older men in this country are putting a loaded pistol to their head and hoping it doesn't go off when getting involved with a much younger woman from overseas. The chances for fraud are greater than the chances she is honest and loves you. This is just a simple fact that cannot be avoided.
Of course, that doesn't change the pain Robert is going through and my heart goes out to him. I hope she gets her @ss deported because that is what she deserves.
Another one of those incredibly stupid comments!
Once again, bigoted opinon based on nothing more than narrow minded prejudice.
Sorry, kaydee, I fail to see how that is a bigoted opinion. Do you not believe that the percentage of fraud cases is higher with a larger age difference? Why do the consulates examine those cases more closely? They are bigoted as well?
You are right, however, that this is all besides the point.
We all wish Robert the best, I hope.
tmma
Apr 27 2006, 08:37 AM
QUOTE(kaydee457 @ Apr 27 2006, 08:28 AM)

QUOTE(Matt_Stevens @ Apr 27 2006, 08:17 AM)

I think it is perfectly OK to point out that older men in this country are putting a loaded pistol to their head and hoping it doesn't go off when getting involved with a much younger woman from overseas. The chances for fraud are greater than the chances she is honest and loves you. This is just a simple fact that cannot be avoided.
Of course, that doesn't change the pain Robert is going through and my heart goes out to him. I hope she gets her @ss deported because that is what she deserves.
Another one of those incredibly stupid comments!
Once again, bigoted opinon based on nothing more than narrow minded prejudice.
What the heck is wrong with some people?????
Matt, you might think that fraudulent visa applicants only come in ONE age group, sex and nationality-but they don't.
Robert is hurt right now and looking for support.
matt,I really thought ( after reading alot of your posts and your webpage) that you were far more intelligent than that!
Hmmm...
Robert-ignore the useless, pointless comments and soldier on!
regards
Michele
Jenn!
Apr 27 2006, 08:40 AM
QUOTE(tmma @ Apr 27 2006, 09:37 AM)

QUOTE(Matt_Stevens @ Apr 27 2006, 08:17 AM)

I think it is perfectly OK to point out that older men in this country are putting a loaded pistol to their head and hoping it doesn't go off when getting involved with a much younger woman from overseas. The chances for fraud are greater than the chances she is honest and loves you. This is just a simple fact that cannot be avoided.
Of course, that doesn't change the pain Robert is going through and my heart goes out to him. I hope she gets her @ss deported because that is what she deserves.
What the heck is wrong with some people?????
Matt, you might think that fraudulent visa applicants only come in ONE age group, sex and nationality-but they don't.
Where in his post does Matt say that "fraudulent visa applicants only come in ONE age group, sex and nationality"? Is it insensitive to merely point out the fact that fraud happens more often in cases with certain characteristics than others? Come on!
Jaylen Brit
Apr 27 2006, 08:43 AM
tmma
Apr 27 2006, 08:46 AM
QUOTE(jenn3539 @ Apr 27 2006, 08:40 AM)

QUOTE(tmma @ Apr 27 2006, 09:37 AM)

QUOTE(Matt_Stevens @ Apr 27 2006, 08:17 AM)

I think it is perfectly OK to point out that older men in this country are putting a loaded pistol to their head and hoping it doesn't go off when getting involved with a much younger woman from overseas. The chances for fraud are greater than the chances she is honest and loves you. This is just a simple fact that cannot be avoided.
Of course, that doesn't change the pain Robert is going through and my heart goes out to him. I hope she gets her @ss deported because that is what she deserves.
What the heck is wrong with some people?????
Matt, you might think that fraudulent visa applicants only come in ONE age group, sex and nationality-but they don't.
Where in his post does Matt say that "fraudulent visa applicants only come in ONE age group, sex and nationality"? Is it insensitive to merely point out the fact that fraud happens more often in cases with certain characteristics than others? Come on!
Yeah-Matt
didn't say ONE Nationality...etc...I stand corrected.
However; i still stand by my basic point I believe it IS insensitive to point it out to someone who obviously is hurting, feeling let down and going through all kinds of stuff right now.
Fraudulent visas are a fact of life...but not just limited to people with ages differences.
I still think it was insensitive and pointless of both Matt and Ryecatcher to use Robert's misfortune to point this out. that's all.
But thank you for correcting me....
Jenn!
Apr 27 2006, 08:49 AM
QUOTE(tmma @ Apr 27 2006, 09:46 AM)

Yeah-Matt
didn't say ONE Nationality...etc...I stand corrected.
However; i still stand by my basic point I believe it IS insensitive to point it out to someone who obviously is hurting, feeling let down and going through all kinds of stuff right now.
Fraudulent visas are a fact of life...but not just limited to people with ages differences.
I still think it was insensitive and pointless of both Matt and Ryecatcher to use Robert's misfortune to point this out. that's all.
But thank you for correcting me....

Agreed. Probably wasn't the best time to point it out.
David&Erin_Owens
Apr 27 2006, 09:03 AM
Baileyj96
Apr 27 2006, 09:10 AM
So sorry for all the pain and worry you must be going through. I hope you can find a solution that will solve what you are going through and help you get through all of this.
Now just a comment on the rest. I don't understand why people can't just answer the question that was ask. Why do some on here find it a need to comment, judge and ask questions about his relationship that aren't necessary? He already stated that this was embarrassing for him..... He had a few specific questions that he wanted a answer to. I think the first few post were more than enough for him to figure out what he needs to do. Please ........if you have an answer to the questions then by all means give them. If you want to post your condolences then great. If you want to judge and drag people through the dirt , then why not give him a break and keep your comments to yourself.
Sorry, I don't usually post much but I just don't understand why one simple post by a man who is obviously hurting, needs to go on and on until it's completely off from the original post. I've seen this happen so many times. It's just like a pack of wolves stalking prey.
Baileyj
Dixie_Peach
Apr 27 2006, 09:11 AM
QUOTE(Jaylen Brit @ Apr 27 2006, 09:43 AM)

JB... will you share the popcorn? I'll get the drinks...
noura
Apr 27 2006, 10:09 AM
QUOTE(David&Erin_Owens @ Apr 27 2006, 08:03 AM)

I'm w/ both of you!!!
I wish Robert the best tho, thru this painful time.... I hope you find what you need to move on!
Noura
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