Staashi
Feb 27 2008, 10:35 AM
QUOTE(Gaston @ Feb 27 2008, 10:30 AM)

What do you people mean by touch ?

It means that when you log into the USCIS website to view an online status of your case, that it says it was "touched". Reading about all of this touching though feels somewhat dirty - like a child saying "that dirty old man touched me". Very bizarre. I kind of wish they would say - "reviewed". Sorry, just my musings of the morning.
imailin
Feb 27 2008, 10:35 AM
QUOTE(Gaston @ Feb 27 2008, 10:30 AM)

What do you people mean by touch ?

Go to the uscis.gov webpage.... then Case status and then Log IN, you have to create a user name, you will need your NOA number and your will be able to see Every time they grab you case they will scan it.....
imailin
Feb 27 2008, 10:38 AM
QUOTE(Staashi @ Feb 27 2008, 10:35 AM)

QUOTE(Gaston @ Feb 27 2008, 10:30 AM)

What do you people mean by touch ?

It means that when you log into the USCIS website to view an online status of your case, that it says it was "touched". Reading about all of this touching though feels somewhat dirty - like a child saying "that dirty old man touched me". Very bizarre. I kind of wish they would say - "reviewed". Sorry, just my musings of the morning.

Please update me. Touched again today February 26
Gaston
Feb 27 2008, 10:51 AM
NOA # ?
Gaston
Feb 27 2008, 10:56 AM
I got it ,it says ,last time updated on the 25 ,it does not say much
imailin
Feb 27 2008, 11:01 AM
QUOTE(Gaston @ Feb 27 2008, 10:56 AM)

I got it ,it says ,last time updated on the 25 ,it does not say much
there you go!!! you wre update it yesterday!!! congrants!!! Now we wait!
kalstravels
Feb 27 2008, 11:05 AM
Just a quick clarification on where I think our applications are (TSC to VSC filers)
I do believe that they are at the VSC (a USCIS Service Center) and not in some "USCIS field office".
But I'd just like to make the point that if you checked online, you would have no idea where exactly your case was, since it does not specifically state "Vermont Service Center". In fact it states "pending standard processing at a USCIS office"
Historically, when our cases were in Texas, and you checked online, it would actually say "This case is at our Texas Service Center"
But I do agree with James in trusting the last paper mail notice, which stated, in writing, that our cases were being transferred to Vermont.
I also believe that we are not in line for an interview as James noted, correctly, because are cases are "pending standard processing". Besides, an interview for this kind of application is not standard procedure, and would actually be a bad sign.
They also state that they process cases "in the order we receive them".
So, presumably, we should see the earliest of our TSC filers being approved first.
James and all:
I am very curious as to when the first TSC filer transferred to the VSC, as part of the Jan2007- June 2007 filing batch gets approved. Lets all hope for the best.....this is driving me nuts!
Pici0274
Feb 27 2008, 11:06 AM
Hi, I've been reading these posts daily from the day that I joined. I have tried to post everyday with no luck for some reason so I had the reauthorization email sent again and now it works.
Anyway this forum is great! My husband filed the papers in May,2007. Like most of you he was Transfer from Texas to Vermont on Jan. 31, Touch on Feb. 4th, Touched on Feb. 22 and again on Feb. 26th with an email of pending case and now again. His email didn't mention an interview.
Gaston
Feb 27 2008, 11:07 AM
2 days ago , we have to keep waiting right ,jeje
baunzerbrudi
Feb 27 2008, 11:24 AM
when did you all get the touch, yesterday (2-26-08) or today? I was touched but got no email... waiting for further touching today!!!!
Gaston
Feb 27 2008, 11:44 AM
i got it on the 25 ,but this is killing me ,believe me!!!
baunzerbrudi
Feb 27 2008, 11:49 AM
just to add to all those predictions out there here are my two cents: If there are no further touches this week we are in for a long wait. If there is additional touching today or any day including Friday, we are to be approved within a week!
imailin
Feb 27 2008, 12:10 PM
QUOTE(baunzerbrudi @ Feb 27 2008, 11:49 AM)

just to add to all those predictions out there here are my two cents: If there are no further touches this week we are in for a long wait. If there is additional touching today or any day including Friday, we are to be approved within a week!
I got touched yesterday 26....
Sorry before I said I was touched today, that was a mistake since I thought today was the 26th....
It's Melvin
Feb 27 2008, 12:17 PM
Updating for Angel7422's 2/25 touch and imailin's 2/26 touch. It does look like yesterday's touches were only for those with May-June NOA1s. No idea what that means . . . .
Gaston and pici0274, post up your NOA1 date and biometrics appointment dates if you want to be added to the list.

UserName............NOA1 Date.......Biometrics......Last Touch......Approved
A_C.................02/21/07........03/15/07........02/22/08........--/--/--
ihateemo............03/03/07........04/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
tweety..............03/09/07........04/06/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
junglee069..........03/13/07........04/14/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
burs................03/19/07........04/12/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
moben...............03/20/07........03/28/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
kn687...............03/21/07........03/29/07........02/14/08........--/--/-- (service request)
kalstravels.........03/23/07........04/20/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
jsouthwick..........03/30/07........??/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
us1415..............04/18/07........05/12/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
utopiacowboy........04/19/07........05/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
licianne............04/20/07........04/25/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (senator involved)
James...............04/20/07........05/31/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
Angel7422...........04/25/07........05/24/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
smartie.............05/03/07........06/09/07........02/22/08........--/--/--Cassie..............05/09/07........06/04/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
baunzerbrudi........05/19/07........06/14/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
imailin.............06/07/07........08/??/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
Gaston
Feb 27 2008, 12:25 PM
i had my biometrics on april 17 of 2007
Gaston
Feb 27 2008, 12:31 PM
mine NOA date was on March 19 of 2007 ,i am another looser i guess
Roster
Feb 27 2008, 01:07 PM
Mine got touched on 02/25/2008....updating the list: (kn687)

UserName............NOA1 Date.......Biometrics......Last Touch......Approved
A_C.................02/21/07........03/15/07........02/22/08........--/--/--
ihateemo............03/03/07........04/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
tweety..............03/09/07........04/06/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
junglee069..........03/13/07........04/14/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
burs................03/19/07........04/12/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
moben...............03/20/07........03/28/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
kn687...............03/21/07........03/29/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
kalstravels.........03/23/07........04/20/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
jsouthwick..........03/30/07........??/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
us1415..............04/18/07........05/12/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
utopiacowboy........04/19/07........05/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
licianne............04/20/07........04/25/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (senator involved)
James...............04/20/07........05/31/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
Angel7422...........04/25/07........05/24/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
smartie.............05/03/07........06/09/07........02/22/08........--/--/--Cassie..............05/09/07........06/04/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
baunzerbrudi........05/19/07........06/14/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
imailin.............06/07/07........08/??/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
smartie
Feb 27 2008, 01:20 PM
Touched 2/25 too. thank you!
It's Melvin
Feb 27 2008, 01:52 PM
Adding Gaston and updating smartie.
Looks like everyone was touched on either yesterday or the day before. Sounds like they were just sorting through us.

UserName............NOA1 Date.......Biometrics......Last Touch......Approved
A_C.................02/21/07........03/15/07........02/22/08........--/--/--
ihateemo............03/03/07........04/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
tweety..............03/09/07........04/06/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
junglee069..........03/13/07........04/14/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
burs................03/19/07........04/12/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
Gaston..............03/19/07........04/17/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
moben...............03/20/07........03/28/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
kn687...............03/21/07........03/29/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
kalstravels.........03/23/07........04/20/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
jsouthwick..........03/30/07........??/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
us1415..............04/18/07........05/12/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
utopiacowboy........04/19/07........05/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
licianne............04/20/07........04/25/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (senator involved)
James...............04/20/07........05/31/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
Angel7422...........04/25/07........05/24/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
smartie.............05/03/07........06/09/07........02/25/08........--/--/--Cassie..............05/09/07........06/04/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
baunzerbrudi........05/19/07........06/14/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
imailin.............06/07/07........08/??/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
imailin
Feb 27 2008, 01:59 PM
QUOTE(James @ Feb 27 2008, 01:52 PM)

Adding Gaston and updating smartie.
Looks like everyone was touched on either yesterday or the day before. Sounds like they were just sorting through us.

UserName............NOA1 Date.......Biometrics......Last Touch......Approved
A_C.................02/21/07........03/15/07........02/22/08........--/--/--
ihateemo............03/03/07........04/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
tweety..............03/09/07........04/06/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
junglee069..........03/13/07........04/14/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
burs................03/19/07........04/12/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
Gaston..............03/19/07........04/17/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
moben...............03/20/07........03/28/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
kn687...............03/21/07........03/29/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
kalstravels.........03/23/07........04/20/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
jsouthwick..........03/30/07........??/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
us1415..............04/18/07........05/12/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
utopiacowboy........04/19/07........05/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
licianne............04/20/07........04/25/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (senator involved)
James...............04/20/07........05/31/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
Angel7422...........04/25/07........05/24/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
smartie.............05/03/07........06/09/07........02/25/08........--/--/--Cassie..............05/09/07........06/04/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
baunzerbrudi........05/19/07........06/14/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
imailin.............06/07/07........08/??/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
I have the feeling that they put us in order to start working on us....
baunzerbrudi
Feb 27 2008, 02:00 PM
should this really have been "sorting", could they conceivably have put us in the back of the line like a new arrival? In that case we can wait for another year...
imailin
Feb 27 2008, 02:10 PM
QUOTE(baunzerbrudi @ Feb 27 2008, 02:00 PM)

should this really have been "sorting", could they conceivably have put us in the back of the line like a new arrival? In that case we can wait for another year...
NO, I don’t think so.... you have to have faith. Even with USCIS....Good karma brings good karma!
It's Melvin
Feb 27 2008, 02:18 PM
QUOTE(imailin @ Feb 27 2008, 02:10 PM)

QUOTE(baunzerbrudi @ Feb 27 2008, 02:00 PM)

should this really have been "sorting", could they conceivably have put us in the back of the line like a new arrival? In that case we can wait for another year...
NO, I don't think so.... you have to have faith. Even with USCIS....Good karma brings good karma!
Well, I would never underestimate the ability of USCIS to screw up, but I would agree that the powers that be there (or at least those at VSC) are like most people and do the fair thing when given the opportunity. So I believe that we must be at the top of the pile.
That might seem unfair to the people who filed at VSC just over six months ago and who would have otherwise been on the brink of approval but for these transfers, but there were a whole bunch of February 2007 TSC filers who were on the brink of approval back at the end of June 2007 when TSC simply stopped approving I-751s . . . .
Kez/JWolf
Feb 27 2008, 02:33 PM
I will watch closely to see if my approval comes before the TSC people or like james says I will be pushed back and have to wait longer than the 6 months I was expecting.....
Good Luck to all you ex-TSC's
Kez
kbf
Feb 27 2008, 02:47 PM
QUOTE(Kezzie @ Feb 27 2008, 02:33 PM)

I will watch closely to see if my approval comes before the TSC people or like james says I will be pushed back and have to wait longer than the 6 months I was expecting.....
Good Luck to all you ex-TSC's
Kez
Kezzie I am praying for your February 08 approval. I am right behind ya.............
It's Melvin
Feb 27 2008, 03:55 PM
QUOTE(kbf @ Feb 27 2008, 02:47 PM)

QUOTE(Kezzie @ Feb 27 2008, 02:33 PM)

I will watch closely to see if my approval comes before the TSC people or like james says I will be pushed back and have to wait longer than the 6 months I was expecting.....
Good Luck to all you ex-TSC's
Kez
Kezzie I am praying for your February 08 approval. I am right behind ya.............
I would hope that the transfers don't push you guys back and that VSC keeps on its six month approval track, but unless they push us to the back of the line I don't see how they can keep that up unless they hired some more help. Maybe you both will still slide in as they tee up the transfers . . . .
Kez/JWolf
Feb 27 2008, 04:06 PM
Well if I am going to be approved within the 6 month timeframe then it needs to happen this week or next at the latest....
I am not holding my breath....
Kez
Pici0274
Feb 27 2008, 07:56 PM
Thank you James. Here is the update information to add to the list.
I-751 (Removal of conditions)
05-25-07 - I-751 sent to TSC
05-30-07 - NOA1
07-05-07 - Biometrics
01-31-08 - Transfer Notice to VSC
02-04-08 - Touched
02-22-08 - Touched
02-26-08 - Touched
We don't know what all this means, but it is driving us crazy too! It helps to be able to read on the forum and know that we are not alone.
It's Melvin
Feb 28 2008, 07:37 AM
Adding Pici0274
Given the touching pattern, I wonder if we've been sorted through and handed out among adjudicators. Where's A_C? He should be the first indication that we're either being actively processed or in a box in the back corner of a closet somewhere.

UserName............NOA1 Date.......Biometrics......Last Touch......Approved
A_C.................02/21/07........03/15/07........02/22/08........--/--/--
ihateemo............03/03/07........04/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
tweety..............03/09/07........04/06/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
junglee069..........03/13/07........04/14/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
burs................03/19/07........04/12/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
Gaston..............03/19/07........04/17/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
moben...............03/20/07........03/28/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
kn687...............03/21/07........03/29/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
kalstravels.........03/23/07........04/20/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
jsouthwick..........03/30/07........??/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
us1415..............04/18/07........05/12/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
utopiacowboy........04/19/07........05/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
licianne............04/20/07........04/25/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (senator involved)
James...............04/20/07........05/31/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
Angel7422...........04/25/07........05/24/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
smartie.............05/03/07........06/09/07........02/25/08........--/--/--Cassie..............05/09/07........06/04/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
baunzerbrudi........05/19/07........06/14/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
Pici0274............05/30/07........07/05/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
imailin.............06/07/07........08/??/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
Gaston
Feb 28 2008, 11:20 AM
this is funny they also sent me a letter saying that my card was in production ,please allow us 60 days to delivered it ,then at vancouver still pending , i do not undertand anything ,!!!!!this is going to far
Staashi
Feb 28 2008, 11:42 AM
QUOTE(Gaston @ Feb 28 2008, 11:20 AM)

this is funny they also sent me a letter saying that my card was in production ,please allow us 60 days to delivered it ,then at vancouver still pending , i do not undertand anything ,!!!!!this is going to far
Gaston, for your sake and everyone elses, that is wonderful news - congratulations!
baunzerbrudi
Feb 28 2008, 11:48 AM
Did you receive a mailed letter or email? Hopefully this means you are approved
A_C
Feb 28 2008, 11:52 AM
QUOTE(James @ Feb 28 2008, 07:37 AM)

Adding Pici0274
Given the touching pattern, I wonder if we've been sorted through and handed out among adjudicators. Where's A_C? He should be the first indication that we're either being actively processed or in a box in the back corner of a closet somewhere.
Here I am

Btw, I'm not a "He" but a "She" - just for clarification
Well, I didn't receive any emails from USCIS, BUT I just logged in to check on my file and, indeed, last touch was Feb 25!! I'll try to keep an eye on it more often to keep you all informed, after all, I am the leader of the loser list
Scapel
Feb 28 2008, 12:14 PM
QUOTE(Gaston @ Feb 28 2008, 11:20 AM)

this is funny they also sent me a letter saying that my card was in production ,please allow us 60 days to delivered it ,then at vancouver still pending , i do not undertand anything ,!!!!!this is going to far
This news is both good news and bad; both hopeful and hope-dashing. Only the USCIS can pull off such senseless oxymoron.
It's Melvin
Feb 28 2008, 12:47 PM
QUOTE(Gaston @ Feb 28 2008, 11:20 AM)

this is funny they also sent me a letter saying that my card was in production ,please allow us 60 days to delivered it ,then at vancouver still pending , i do not undertand anything ,!!!!!this is going to far
What??? I'd trust the letter over the online case status. I'm assuming it has the right name and case number and everything. What's the date on the letter?
Anyway, that's GREAT news! And you have 3/18/07 NOA1! That could mean they just blew through a bunch of cases and approved 'em wholesale! We'll know as other folks pick up their mail today and tomorrow . . . .
Gaston
Feb 28 2008, 04:08 PM
this letter is from january 23 ,ad for what they told me in vermont is where they make the cards
baunzerbrudi
Feb 28 2008, 04:17 PM
very strange..a letter from tsc before the transfer, yet you did get transferred... I wonder if all this is going to be resovled tomorrow or if we have a couple more weeks until someone gets approved!
Gaston
Feb 28 2008, 04:28 PM
that letter was fron TSC before got transfered .anyways i hope everybody gets aprove soon ,and starts enyoing life without this feeling of being waiting for this card
burs
Feb 28 2008, 04:37 PM
QUOTE(Gaston @ Feb 28 2008, 04:28 PM)

that letter was fron TSC before got transfered .anyways i hope everybody gets aprove soon ,and starts enyoing life without this feeling of being waiting for this card
I think Gaston is confused. We all got the letter about the transfer that in the top right corner said "CRI89 approved." This This may be what he's talking 'bout. doesn't mean card production has been ordered though.
It's Melvin
Feb 29 2008, 08:08 AM
QUOTE(burs @ Feb 28 2008, 04:37 PM)

QUOTE(Gaston @ Feb 28 2008, 04:28 PM)

that letter was fron TSC before got transfered .anyways i hope everybody gets aprove soon ,and starts enyoing life without this feeling of being waiting for this card
I think Gaston is confused. We all got the letter about the transfer that in the top right corner said "CRI89 approved." This This may be what he's talking 'bout. doesn't mean card production has been ordered though.
Probably, but why would he say the letter told him his "card was in production"? And the letter was dated Jan. 23, a week before the transfer letter. But I find it hard to believe that they approved all of us at TSC and then transferred us to VSC for mere card production.
us1415
Feb 29 2008, 09:16 AM
Touched 2/25/2008 as well....

UserName............NOA1 Date.......Biometrics......Last Touch......Approved
A_C.................02/21/07........03/15/07........02/22/08........--/--/--
ihateemo............03/03/07........04/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
tweety..............03/09/07........04/06/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
junglee069..........03/13/07........04/14/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
burs................03/19/07........04/12/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
Gaston..............03/19/07........04/17/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
moben...............03/20/07........03/28/07........02/14/08........--/--/--
kn687...............03/21/07........03/29/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
kalstravels.........03/23/07........04/20/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (service request)
jsouthwick..........03/30/07........??/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
us1415..............04/18/07........05/12/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
utopiacowboy........04/19/07........05/??/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
licianne............04/20/07........04/25/07........02/25/08........--/--/-- (senator involved)
James...............04/20/07........05/31/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
Angel7422...........04/25/07........05/24/07........02/25/08........--/--/--
smartie.............05/03/07........06/09/07........02/25/08........--/--/--Cassie..............05/09/07........06/04/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
baunzerbrudi........05/19/07........06/14/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
Pici0274............05/30/07........07/05/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
imailin.............06/07/07........08/??/07........02/26/08........--/--/--
baunzerbrudi
Feb 29 2008, 09:49 AM
this is getting diceier! no more action for a few days. I am afraid that means we got put in a carton on Mon/ Tuesday
baunzerbrudi
Feb 29 2008, 09:51 AM
this is getting diceier! no more action for a few days. I am afraid that means we got put in a carton on Mon/ Tuesday
baunzerbrudi
Feb 29 2008, 09:51 AM
this is getting diceier! no more action for a few days. I am afraid that means we got put in a carton on Mon/ Tuesday
Gaston
Feb 29 2008, 10:53 AM
this is a complete different letter ,this one is a white papper from TSC ,saying that the card is in production ,but still shows pending ,they ask me to allow 60 days ,then call if i do not get it .
kbf
Feb 29 2008, 10:56 AM
QUOTE(Gaston @ Feb 29 2008, 10:53 AM)

this is a complete different letter ,this one is a white papper from TSC ,saying that the card is in production ,but still shows pending ,they ask me to allow 60 days ,then call if i do not get it .
Why cant your copy the whole letter here, and get us out of this confusion. As to me its not making any sense...But instead of giving bits and pieces of information, i will request please type the whole letter as it is and that will be very helpful for everybody.
imailin
Feb 29 2008, 11:13 AM
QUOTE(kbf @ Feb 29 2008, 10:56 AM)

QUOTE(Gaston @ Feb 29 2008, 10:53 AM)

this is a complete different letter ,this one is a white papper from TSC ,saying that the card is in production ,but still shows pending ,they ask me to allow 60 days ,then call if i do not get it .
Why cant your copy the whole letter here, and get us out of this confusion. As to me its not making any sense...But instead of giving bits and pieces of information, i will request please type the whole letter as it is and that will be very helpful for everybody.
I just go here... what is going on!!! gaston got or not aproved?..... hoping for a big yes... guys.... tell me
It's Melvin
Feb 29 2008, 11:15 AM
QUOTE(Gaston @ Feb 29 2008, 10:53 AM)

this is a complete different letter ,this one is a white papper from TSC ,saying that the card is in production ,but still shows pending ,they ask me to allow 60 days ,then call if i do not get it .
The online case status still shows that the case is pending? I would call just on that basis alone and ask them to explain what's going on. Makes no sense.
imailin
Feb 29 2008, 11:18 AM
QUOTE(James @ Feb 29 2008, 11:15 AM)

QUOTE(Gaston @ Feb 29 2008, 10:53 AM)

this is a complete different letter ,this one is a white papper from TSC ,saying that the card is in production ,but still shows pending ,they ask me to allow 60 days ,then call if i do not get it .
The online case status still shows that the case is pending? I would call just on that basis alone and ask them to explain what's going on. Makes no sense.
Have you guys read the other thread ???? People from Vermont has been approved.. NOA JULY 2007..... they are happy because they are getting approve before "the invasion of TSC"...... sucks....!!!!
Gaston
Feb 29 2008, 11:25 AM
i cannot call cause they are smartasses and i rather wait a few more days if not i will call ,they are allways right when i call ,that's what they think ,jeje
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