Hi,
Got approved on Jan 18th, during the interview the Vice Consul made me sign a form saying i would register with the Selective Service within 30 days of arriving in the US. Well, i have arrived, but I really dont want to be registered. I was just wondering if anyone has had any bad experiences if they didn't register?
I know, i'll be ineligible for US Citizenship, but im never gonna be a citizen anyway, and im sure as hell not going to apply for any jobs with the government.
Also, lets say i do sign up... then theres a draft... whats to stop me from going back to the UK, and avoiding it altogether.... is that a problem aswell...?
Any comments would be fantastic... thanks,
-Ed
Full Version: Registering with the SSS (Selective Service System)
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This can and will affect you ability to naturalize and become a citizen in the future, and also can affect your ability to draw benefits in the future.
SSS is required by law of every man living in the USA, the government has not used that system since Vietnam, and probably will not in the future.
Remember knowingly violating US laws can be cause of loss of LAWFUL permanet resident status, NOTE "Lawful" in LPR status.
SSS is required by law of every man living in the USA, the government has not used that system since Vietnam, and probably will not in the future.
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ATTENTION, UNDOCUMENTED MALES
& IMMIGRANT SERVICING GROUPS!
If you are a man ages 18 through 25 and living in the U.S., then you must register with Selective Service. It’s the law. You can register at any U.S. Post Office and do not need a social security number. When you do obtain a social security number, let Selective Service know. Provide a copy of your new social security number card; being sure to include your complete name, date of birth, Selective Service registration number, and current mailing address; and mail to the Selective Service System, P.O. Box 94636, Palatine, IL 60094-4636.
Be sure to register before your 26th birthday. After that, it’s too late!
http://www.sss.gov/& IMMIGRANT SERVICING GROUPS!
If you are a man ages 18 through 25 and living in the U.S., then you must register with Selective Service. It’s the law. You can register at any U.S. Post Office and do not need a social security number. When you do obtain a social security number, let Selective Service know. Provide a copy of your new social security number card; being sure to include your complete name, date of birth, Selective Service registration number, and current mailing address; and mail to the Selective Service System, P.O. Box 94636, Palatine, IL 60094-4636.
Be sure to register before your 26th birthday. After that, it’s too late!
Remember knowingly violating US laws can be cause of loss of LAWFUL permanet resident status, NOTE "Lawful" in LPR status.
If I were you I would just register. The chances of a draft are slim and there is nothing stopping you from fleeing to Canada then back to the UK. Thousands did it during the Viet Nam conflict. I take it you are younger than 26. I would also advise you to never say never. You will look back one day (as many of us do) and marvel at where you life has taken you. Think about it now... Did you ever imagine you would be moving across the pond to be living in the US?
As in anything in live you have to weigh the consequences against the risks. I would say that the risk of getting caught is far greater then getting drafted. As things get tighter and tighter on immigrants in the US there is a great chance of prosecution of immigrants.
There are also more and more jobs that require you to be a citizen, and I know you said you never want to become one, but one day there maybe be a reason why you will want to...
If I were you I would register and if the draft does get re instituted you just hot foot it back to the UK.
Its pretty easy to get exemption too if there is a draft, like pooping your pants and eating in front of the indoctrination doctors.
M.
As in anything in live you have to weigh the consequences against the risks. I would say that the risk of getting caught is far greater then getting drafted. As things get tighter and tighter on immigrants in the US there is a great chance of prosecution of immigrants.
There are also more and more jobs that require you to be a citizen, and I know you said you never want to become one, but one day there maybe be a reason why you will want to...
If I were you I would register and if the draft does get re instituted you just hot foot it back to the UK.
Its pretty easy to get exemption too if there is a draft, like pooping your pants and eating in front of the indoctrination doctors.
M.
QUOTE(mateo @ Jan 31 2008, 04:42 PM) 
Its pretty easy to get exemption too if there is a draft, like pooping your pants and eating in front of the indoctrination doctors.
M.
M.
Benefits of citizenship.
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- A Citizen Can Vote
A citizen has the right to vote for elected officials at the federal, state and local levels who shape the policy of the government. - Dual Citizenship (Currently N/A with China)
Certain countries, including Ireland and the United Kingdom, recognize "dual citizenship" permitting naturalized U.S. citizens to maintain their citizenship of birth and original passport. - Citizens Can Bring More Relatives From Abroad, More Quickly
Citizens can petition for a wider variety of family members to come to the US as permanent residents. They also have much shorter waiting times for green cards, and no limits. - Citizens Cannot be Deported
Most of us never expect to commit a crime, but if we are the victims of circumstance, in the wrong place at the wrong time, as citizens, we cannot be deported. We also don't need to worry about a lost green card or too-long stay outside the US preventing us from re-entering. - Citizens Can Retire Abroad With Full Social Security Benefits
Citizens who retire abroad get all their Social Security benefits. Green card holders only get half of the benefits they earned. - Citizens are Entitled to More Public Benefits
Citizens are eligible for more public benefits, including Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and Food Stamps, as well as certain academic scholarships and financial aid. - A US Citizen Can Hold Office and Have More Job Opportunities
Only a citizen has the right to hold an elected position in most city, state or federal offices. Many federal, state and city jobs also require citizenship. - Adopted or Natural Children Under 18 May be Naturalized Automatically
Depending on the circumstances, children born abroad, who are under 18 years of age and unmarried may be able to naturalize automatically when a parent does so. - Citizens Have More Financial and Tax Benefits
Citizens often receive approval on loans andmortgages more easily, and/or they get better rates, because the lender knows there is less chance they will defect. Citizens are often subject to fewer restrictions on estate taxes as well. - Citizens Don't Have to Worry About Renewing a Green Card Every 10 Years
We have enough to worry about with passports and other paperwork. As citizens, we don't have to worry about renewing a green cards every ten years.
QUOTE(YuAndDan @ Jan 31 2008, 09:49 PM)
QUOTE(mateo @ Jan 31 2008, 04:42 PM)
Its pretty easy to get exemption too if there is a draft, like pooping your pants and eating in front of the indoctrination doctors.
M.
M.
Benefits of citizenship.
QUOTE
- A Citizen Can Vote
A citizen has the right to vote for elected officials at the federal, state and local levels who shape the policy of the government. - Dual Citizenship (Currently N/A with China)
Certain countries, including Ireland and the United Kingdom, recognize "dual citizenship" permitting naturalized U.S. citizens to maintain their citizenship of birth and original passport. - Citizens Can Bring More Relatives From Abroad, More Quickly
Citizens can petition for a wider variety of family members to come to the US as permanent residents. They also have much shorter waiting times for green cards, and no limits. - Citizens Cannot be Deported
Most of us never expect to commit a crime, but if we are the victims of circumstance, in the wrong place at the wrong time, as citizens, we cannot be deported. We also don't need to worry about a lost green card or too-long stay outside the US preventing us from re-entering. - Citizens Can Retire Abroad With Full Social Security Benefits
Citizens who retire abroad get all their Social Security benefits. Green card holders only get half of the benefits they earned. - Citizens are Entitled to More Public Benefits
Citizens are eligible for more public benefits, including Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and Food Stamps, as well as certain academic scholarships and financial aid. - A US Citizen Can Hold Office and Have More Job Opportunities
Only a citizen has the right to hold an elected position in most city, state or federal offices. Many federal, state and city jobs also require citizenship. - Adopted or Natural Children Under 18 May be Naturalized Automatically
Depending on the circumstances, children born abroad, who are under 18 years of age and unmarried may be able to naturalize automatically when a parent does so. - Citizens Have More Financial and Tax Benefits
Citizens often receive approval on loans andmortgages more easily, and/or they get better rates, because the lender knows there is less chance they will defect. Citizens are often subject to fewer restrictions on estate taxes as well. - Citizens Don't Have to Worry About Renewing a Green Card Every 10 Years
We have enough to worry about with passports and other paperwork. As citizens, we don't have to worry about renewing a green cards every ten years.
Wow, do work for the government or something?? LOL - Just kidding... thanks for the info..
QUOTE(YuAndDan @ Jan 31 2008, 09:39 PM)
Remember knowingly violating US laws can be cause of loss of LAWFUL permanet resident status, NOTE "Lawful" in LPR status.
Its "Legal", not lawful, but i understand what you mean...
QUOTE(mateo @ Jan 31 2008, 09:42 PM)
If I were you I would just register. The chances of a draft are slim and there is nothing stopping you from fleeing to Canada then back to the UK. Thousands did it during the Viet Nam conflict. I take it you are younger than 26. I would also advise you to never say never. You will look back one day (as many of us do) and marvel at where you life has taken you. Think about it now... Did you ever imagine you would be moving across the pond to be living in the US?
As in anything in live you have to weigh the consequences against the risks. I would say that the risk of getting caught is far greater then getting drafted. As things get tighter and tighter on immigrants in the US there is a great chance of prosecution of immigrants.
There are also more and more jobs that require you to be a citizen, and I know you said you never want to become one, but one day there maybe be a reason why you will want to...
If I were you I would register and if the draft does get re instituted you just hot foot it back to the UK.
Its pretty easy to get exemption too if there is a draft, like pooping your pants and eating in front of the indoctrination doctors.
M.
As in anything in live you have to weigh the consequences against the risks. I would say that the risk of getting caught is far greater then getting drafted. As things get tighter and tighter on immigrants in the US there is a great chance of prosecution of immigrants.
There are also more and more jobs that require you to be a citizen, and I know you said you never want to become one, but one day there maybe be a reason why you will want to...
If I were you I would register and if the draft does get re instituted you just hot foot it back to the UK.
Its pretty easy to get exemption too if there is a draft, like pooping your pants and eating in front of the indoctrination doctors.
M.
Funny you should say that, cos actually, i have known my entire life i would one day be living in LA. It has always been a dream of mine, and now it's true. So, on some level, i always knew i would move across the pond.
I Appreciate your input too, i guess there isn't any harm in registering.
Thanks!
QUOTE(edchels @ Jan 31 2008, 05:00 PM)
Its "Legal", not lawful, but i understand what you mean...
Actually "LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENT". But we are splitting hairs here. How Do I Become a Lawful Permanent Resident While In The United States?
QUOTE(YuAndDan @ Jan 31 2008, 10:10 PM)
QUOTE(edchels @ Jan 31 2008, 05:00 PM)
Its "Legal", not lawful, but i understand what you mean...
Actually "LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENT". But we are splitting hairs here. How Do I Become a Lawful Permanent Resident While In The United States?
So it is... the entire time while waiting for my visa i have seen written down, and people talking about "Legal Permanent Residents"... maybe the UK is different.
If you are unwilling to ever possibly defend this country, and that is a slim chance with no draft going on) then perhaps it's more fitting that you stay in the U.K.
I agree with rjp.
QUOTE(rjp44 @ Jan 31 2008, 08:20 PM)
If you are unwilling to ever possibly defend this country, and that is a slim chance with no draft going on) then perhaps it's more fitting that you stay in the U.K.
QUOTE(j.debonis @ Jan 31 2008, 09:29 PM)
I agree with rjp.
Guys! Take it easy on the OP, He has seen the light!
QUOTE(edchels @ Jan 31 2008, 05:03 PM)
Funny you should say that, cos actually, i have known my entire life i would one day be living in LA. It has always been a dream of mine, and now it's true. So, on some level, i always knew i would move across the pond.
I Appreciate your input too, i guess there isn't any harm in registering.
Thanks!
I Appreciate your input too, i guess there isn't any harm in registering.
Thanks!
QUOTE(rjp44 @ Feb 1 2008, 01:20 AM)
If you are unwilling to ever possibly defend this country, and that is a slim chance with no draft going on) then perhaps it's more fitting that you stay in the U.K.
Just because i dont believe in war, doesn't mean i need to live in a different country away from my wife. Sorry i dont agree with war, but i dont think i need to leave the country because of that opinion.
Come on, if you had the choice of registering or not register with the SSS and you didn't agree with war, you wouldn't register... and that was what i was wondering...and it seems like i have to anyway, so my question has been answered.
QUOTE(YuAndDan @ Feb 1 2008, 02:37 AM)
QUOTE(rjp44 @ Jan 31 2008, 08:20 PM)
If you are unwilling to ever possibly defend this country, and that is a slim chance with no draft going on) then perhaps it's more fitting that you stay in the U.K.
QUOTE(j.debonis @ Jan 31 2008, 09:29 PM)
I agree with rjp.
Guys! Take it easy on the OP, He has seen the light!
QUOTE(edchels @ Jan 31 2008, 05:03 PM)
Funny you should say that, cos actually, i have known my entire life i would one day be living in LA. It has always been a dream of mine, and now it's true. So, on some level, i always knew i would move across the pond.
I Appreciate your input too, i guess there isn't any harm in registering.
Thanks!
I Appreciate your input too, i guess there isn't any harm in registering.
Thanks!
SERIOUSLY!!!!!! Thanks YuAndDan!
I think part of coming to the US is obeying its laws. Your feelings about them really don't come into play.
QUOTE(MsZ @ Feb 6 2008, 05:08 PM)
I think part of coming to the US is obeying its laws. Your feelings about them really don't come into play.
Isnt anyone reading my responses.... i understand what i need to do... all i was wondering is if i absolutly have to register. i know i have to now... read the responses before you start telling me i shouldn't be here because my feelings dont come into play!
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