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rebeccajo
I've been reading how the 'allegation' of the candidate being a Muslim is being used against him. It reminds me a bit of the 'furor' over Kennedy being catholic.

I thought I'd start this poll to see if the issue really matters to most people.

The poll is multiple choice.
Nessa
I believe he won't win so who cares?
A.J.
QUOTE(Nessa @ Jan 18 2008, 10:55 AM) *
I believe he won't win so who cares?

you're a pro at this multiple choice thing arent ya tongue.gif

thats how i used to answer multiple choice questions in school - "i'm never gonna need to know what an isosceles triangle is, so who cares!"
Nagishkaw
Either way, I doubt if he is any kind of spiritual warrior.
Jomo's girl
I like him for some of his postions, not his religion.
nin
Why would I doubt someone if they say they're christian, or muslim, or whatever. It doesn't matter either way as long as they agree with me on every other issue imaginable. Which no one does, it's hard work being perfect. wink.gif
A.J.
rebecca, where's the option for it only concerns me if they are religious, for those of us who dont vote for the simple minded.
Jenn!
I wasn't quite sure how to answer. A candidate's religion doesn't affect my vote unless their religion will affect their policies.
Nessa
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Jan 18 2008, 09:59 AM) *
QUOTE(Nessa @ Jan 18 2008, 10:55 AM) *
I believe he won't win so who cares?

you're a pro at this multiple choice thing arent ya tongue.gif

thats how i used to answer multiple choice questions in school - "i'm never gonna need to know what an isosceles triangle is, so who cares!"

laughing.gif exactly good.gif
simple_male
QUOTE(nin @ Jan 18 2008, 11:06 AM) *
Why would I doubt someone if they say they're christian, or muslim, or whatever. It doesn't matter either way as long as they agree with me on every other issue imaginable. Which no one does, it's hard work being perfect. wink.gif


Exactly.
rebeccajo
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Jan 18 2008, 11:09 AM) *
rebecca, where's the option for it only concerns me if they are religious, for those of us who dont vote for the simple minded.


I was pretty sure, as I tried to create the poll, that I would miss some other choices.

If someone has something else to say, I guess we just put it in the thread?
Alex+R
Are we not gonna note that he's *not* a Muslim?
almaty
the religion of a canidate ....has no effect and unless they allow their beliefs to reflect policy
A.J.
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Jan 18 2008, 11:19 AM) *
Are we not gonna note that he's *not* a Muslim?

how is that relevant tongue.gif
simple_male
QUOTE(almaty @ Jan 18 2008, 11:21 AM) *
the religion of a canidate ....has no effect and unless they allow their beliefs to reflect policy


Yes.
Nessa
now seriously, if I were an american and I could vote, the candidate's religious beliefs would not influence my choice. There are many more important issues that would make me choose a candidate.
A.J.
Here's the thing. If Barack can be made to lose in the Democratic primary by insinuating he's actually a Muslim, then he'll be torn to shreds in the general anyway. Because, as we all know, the Democratic party is where all the enlightened folk hang out, the bias is all on the other side.
almaty
he be bbq like pork ribs....by the democrats..............and it will be just wrong by this "righteous..non judgmental people"
Nessa
QUOTE(Nessa @ Jan 18 2008, 10:23 AM) *
now seriously, if I were an american and I could vote, the candidate's religious beliefs would not influence my choice. There are many more important issues that would make me choose a candidate.

actually if I were an american and I was obligated to vote, cuz if I could choose not to vote I'd opt not to.
rebeccajo
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Jan 18 2008, 11:19 AM) *
Are we not gonna note that he's *not* a Muslim?


Alex, sorry for not including that.

I never thought to put that there because the issue is only out there (in the first place) to influence what people believe. Beliefs often have no foundation in truth.

BabyBlueSusie
the only time a candidates religion affects my vote, is if they are a zealot...i would also never vote for a clergy person, regardless of what their platform was...sorry huckabee no0pb.gif
A.J.
6/22 I believe Obama is a Muslim and not trustworthy because of it.

Interesting
Jenn!
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Jan 18 2008, 02:39 PM) *
6/22 I believe Obama is a Muslim and not trustworthy because of it.

Interesting


Well, the question doesn't distinguish between not trusting him because of the fact that he is Muslim and not trusting him because he's lying about being Muslim.

ETA: It also seems that 9 people think he's neither Christian nor Muslim.
trailmix
Which reminded me of this email I had forwarded to me last week by an old aquaintance - who I asked to remove me from their email list (and not very politely):

Who is Barack Obama?

Very interesting and something that should be considered in your choice. If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all yourcontacts...this is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it.

We checked this outon 'snopes.com'. It is factual. Check for yourself.

Who is Barack Obama?

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu , Hawaii , to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel , Keny a and Ann Dunham, a white ATHIEST from Wichita , Kansas.

Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced.

His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim
from Indonesia.

When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia.Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta.

He also spent two years in a Catholic school. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, 'He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school.'

Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that that he is not a radical. Obama's introduction to Islam
came via his father, and this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the
divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.

Lolo Soetoro,the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world.

Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.


ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran. Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegience nor will he show any reverence for our flag.

While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy.

The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own !!!!

Please forward to everyone you know. Would you want this man leading our country?

Blue Devil - (aka Froggy)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It goes without saying that it's propaganda but:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp


Additional information:
Debunked Insight Magazine and Fox News Smear Campaign
(U.S. Senator Barack Obama)

http://obama.senate.gov/press/070123-debun...nsigh/index.php
rebeccajo
QUOTE(Jenn! @ Jan 18 2008, 02:41 PM) *
Well, the question doesn't distinguish between not trusting him because of the fact that he is Muslim and not trusting him because he's lying about being Muslim.

ETA: It also seems that 9 people think he's neither Christian nor Muslim.


Yeah I thought of that later when I started seeing the responses. Flawed poll. Sorry.

I think I went too far in trying to not make the poll 'inflammatory'. Maybe I should have been more direct with my questions.
Alex+R
I think he's an atheist.
Jenn!
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Jan 18 2008, 04:42 PM) *
I think he's an atheist.


Probably. And I think it's a shame that he feels he couldn't win if he admitted it.
Parivar CSK
QUOTE(trailmix @ Jan 18 2008, 02:45 PM) *
Which reminded me of this email I had forwarded to me last week by an old aquaintance - who I asked to remove me from their email list (and not very politely):

Who is Barack Obama?

Very interesting and something that should be considered in your choice. If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all yourcontacts...this is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it.

We checked this outon 'snopes.com'. It is factual. Check for yourself.

Who is Barack Obama?

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu , Hawaii , to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel , Keny a and Ann Dunham, a white ATHIEST from Wichita , Kansas.

Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced.

His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim
from Indonesia.

When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia.Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta.

He also spent two years in a Catholic school. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, 'He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school.'

Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that that he is not a radical. Obama's introduction to Islam
came via his father, and this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the
divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.

Lolo Soetoro,the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world.

Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.


ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran. Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegience nor will he show any reverence for our flag.

While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy.

The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own !!!!

Please forward to everyone you know. Would you want this man leading our country?

Blue Devil - (aka Froggy)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It goes without saying that it's propaganda but:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp


Additional information:
Debunked Insight Magazine and Fox News Smear Campaign
(U.S. Senator Barack Obama)

http://obama.senate.gov/press/070123-debun...nsigh/index.php


My mom got this forward too from some people she knows.

I think it's ridiculous (so did she). I am not planning on voting for Obama but I also don't believe he is secretly a Muslim or has some hidden plan. He says he is a Christian, although I don't think of him as a very religious Christian. They all say they are Christians but it usually doesn't mean a lot unless they talk more detailed about it like Huckabee does.
PlatyPius
QUOTE(rebeccajo @ Jan 18 2008, 10:38 AM) *
I've been reading how the 'allegation' of the candidate being a Muslim is being used against him. It reminds me a bit of the 'furor' over Kennedy being catholic.

I thought I'd start this poll to see if the issue really matters to most people.

The poll is multiple choice.


Can't vote.

These options:

A candidates religious affiliation does not affect my vote.
A candidates religous affiliation does affect my vote.
It only concerns me if they are non-christian.
It only concerns me if they are Muslim.
I believe Obama when he says he is Christian.
I believe Obama is really a Muslim.
I believe Obama is a Muslim and not trustworthy because of it.

don't contain the one I would check (although I could check "does affect my vote", but then it gives the wrong impression)....

"It only concerns me if they are a born-again, bible-thumping Christian."

That's they only time religion in politics matters to me.
Alex+R
Religion does affect my vote. I want a candidate's moral compass to look the most like mine, and the more influenced by religion, the less I can relate, IMO.

It might be wishful thinking that I think Obama is atheist, but I'm going to keep hoping.
trailmix
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Jan 18 2008, 02:59 PM) *
Religion does affect my vote. I want a candidate's moral compass to look the most like mine, and the more influenced by religion, the less I can relate, IMO.

It might be wishful thinking that I think Obama is atheist, but I'm going to keep hoping.


It's interesting how much religion is focused on in American politics, it's also strange.

We (fairly) recently (2006) elected a new Prime Minister, I do vote and I do take an interest in who is running etc - I have no idea what his religious leanings (or not) are.
Alex+R
QUOTE(trailmix @ Jan 18 2008, 06:28 PM) *
QUOTE(Alex+R @ Jan 18 2008, 02:59 PM) *
Religion does affect my vote. I want a candidate's moral compass to look the most like mine, and the more influenced by religion, the less I can relate, IMO.

It might be wishful thinking that I think Obama is atheist, but I'm going to keep hoping.


It's interesting how much religion is focused on in American politics, it's also strange.

We (fairly) recently (2006) elected a new Prime Minister, I do vote and I do take an interest in who is running etc - I have no idea what his religious leanings (or not) are.

One of the biggest voting blocs in this country is evangelicals. So politicians try to garner votes by Bible thumping. This, in turn, frightens me.
I'm very wary of people who broadcast their religious beliefs.
PlatyPius
The basic premise is that only Christians have morals. I've heard that used time and time again in debates/arguments. "I want a Christian President so I know that he'll make moral choices." Guess they're hoarding all the damn morals somewhere. Oh how I wish I had some. rolleyes.gif
Sister Fracas
QUOTE(Jenn! @ Jan 18 2008, 10:09 AM) *
I wasn't quite sure how to answer. A candidate's religion doesn't affect my vote unless their religion will affect their policies.

ditto
sparkofcreation
QUOTE(rebeccajo @ Jan 18 2008, 08:38 AM) *
I've been reading how the 'allegation' of the candidate being a Muslim is being used against him. It reminds me a bit of the 'furor' over Kennedy being catholic.



Except for the fact that KENNEDY ACTUALLY WAS CATHOLIC AND OBAMA IS NOT MUSLIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama is a baptized member of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. For Pete's sakes.



And I agree with PlatyPius. A candidate's religious affiliation only concerns me if the candidate is a fundamentalist evangelical whackjob (and I know many fundamentalist evangelicals who are NOT whackjobs, I'm only concerned if the candidate is ALSO a whackjob).

Huckabee scares the #### outta me.
Dan + Gemvita
QUOTE(PlatyPius @ Jan 18 2008, 08:04 PM) *
The basic premise is that only Christians have morals. I've heard that used time and time again in debates/arguments. "I want a Christian President so I know that he'll make moral choices." Guess they're hoarding all the damn morals somewhere. Oh how I wish I had some. rolleyes.gif


And the irony is that we only need to look at Bush to see that "having Christian morals" doesn't mean that you will use them to make good moral decisions or any good decisions for that matter.
rebeccajo
QUOTE(PlatyPius @ Jan 18 2008, 04:54 PM) *
"It only concerns me if they are a born-again, bible-thumping Christian."

That's they only time religion in politics matters to me.


Any brand of zealotry concerns me. I don't care what diety umbrella it falls under.
A.J.
How about an atheist zealot? Someone who wants to put Christians in re-education camps?
bora bora
Dan + Gemvita already stated my opinion:

QUOTE
And the irony is that we only need to look at Bush to see that "having Christian morals" doesn't mean that you will use them to make good moral decisions or any good decisions for that matter.


A.J.
Bush has Christian morals? Really?
rebeccajo
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Jan 19 2008, 12:20 PM) *
How about an atheist zealot? Someone who wants to put Christians in re-education camps?


Like I said - any zealot.
Jabberwocky
QUOTE(rebeccajo @ Jan 19 2008, 09:50 AM) *
QUOTE(VJ Troll @ Jan 19 2008, 12:20 PM) *
How about an atheist zealot? Someone who wants to put Christians in re-education camps?


Like I said - any zealot.



Amen to that.

Cassie
I am a Christian. With that being said, I do not automatically vote for someone who proclaims "I am a Christian" like some people do and have. In my mind, just because someone is a Christian does not automatically mean that they are a good leader and/or capable of running a country (may I offer up George W. Bush as an example). I look at the overall picture when choosing a party and/or candidate.

The "fear Obama because he is hiding being Muslim" email going around frustrates and annoys me.

QUOTE(bora bora @ Jan 19 2008, 01:39 PM) *
Dan + Gemvita already stated my opinion:

QUOTE
And the irony is that we only need to look at Bush to see that "having Christian morals" doesn't mean that you will use them to make good moral decisions or any good decisions for that matter.




exactly. Which frustrates the heck out of me.
Natashabrenda
OK here's MY personal and honest opinion.
If I was American and had the right to vote I would definitley NOT vote for him BECAUSE I believe he IS Muslim and has a plan.........and not a good one.
He may not,but I completley do not trust that man.And I would NEVER vote for any Muslim to be America's leader.And my SO and American friends see it the same way.
It actually scares me to think that a Muslim could be President of the USA.........
Magenta
I don't care if he is Muslim or not, he seems pretty sincere to me. Just my 2cents.
PlatyPius
I'm betting that Natashabrenda will be attending all of JC Penney's White Sales.....
Natashabrenda
PlatyPius: I simply stated my opinion ,nothing but that.If you don't like it-deal with it.
And keep childish comments like that to yourself in the future.
Nat
Magenta
All right, just chill, both of you. Thanks.
PlatyPius
Yes dear...
rkl57
For the BILLIONETH time, Barack Obama is not muslim

Heaven forbid we let facts get in the way of our opinions
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