QUOTE(rae_and_scott @ Mar 27 2008, 09:55 AM)

You could start for free by downloading podcasts. I don't have time in my schedule right now to go to a class or have a tutor so I have been trying to learn Portuguese by listening to a few different podcasts. It's really not the best method at all (I used to have a private tutor and that was great), but it's definitely a starting point.

And I agree with what you all have said about how some people can know their stuff but that doesn't necessarily make them good teachers. I had so many bad teachers in my program in college! It was frustrating.
A tutor or classroom instruction is of course the absolute best. The worst is going to Borders and picking up a phrase book for tourists. I've done both.

I used to recommend Rosetta Stone to those who can't (for whatever reason) do a class or tutor. I've done that as well too, but now that I've been working with a tutor, the shortcomings of Rosetta Stone are glaring. Rosetta's claim to fame is that they teach you like children learn the language. So they give you a picture and then a word or phrase. No grammar, just the picture, phrase, and an audio clip of the word or phrase being said. You're supposed to contextually figure out what the word or phrase means. For learning some vocabulary, it's not bad. It's when you start getting into more complicated situations that can only really be explained through grammar that it self destructs. I hit a point where the way the words changed seemed completely arbitrary and incomprehensible. It forced me to memorize instead of understand. And since Russian depends on suffixes (and really complicated suffix rules) to build sentences, it just got to be too much. Maybe it works better with Latin-based languages, dunno, but I'd think Japanese on Rosetta Stone would be a disaster too.
Anyway, that's my language rant for the day.

QUOTE(StillThePrettiest @ Mar 27 2008, 10:09 AM)

mox, she sounds great

I'm really lucky to have met up with her. I was initially going to go with another woman, but every time I tried to schedule something with her she would never return my call. This was a couple months ago, and yesterday I got a voicemail from her saying "hey sorry, I've been busy, do you want to schedule a lesson sometime?" lol.
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but note that I said 'often' - the exceptions to what I said, above, are the sort of people you describe, both natural teachers AND highly versed in the subject at hand... in my experience they don't come along very often

Yep yep. Don't disagree with a thing you said. Was just using my own experience to demonstrate your point about the disadvantage of having a native speaker. My tutor has a better handle on English grammar than most native speakers, and we still occasionally run into the issues you mentioned.