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We_Destiny
Come in share your stories.

A place / a home / an arena for those wronged / hurt / scammed to communicate stories, scream, cry and heal themselves past the pain of lost love.
Lurking
Your so thoughtful Destiny! energetic.gif


QUOTE(We_Destiny @ Jan 3 2008, 07:04 PM) *
Come in share your stories.

A place / a home / an arena for those wronged / hurt / scammed to communicate stories, scream, cry and heal themselves past the pain of lost love.
We_Destiny
QUOTE(MrsJibowu @ Jan 4 2008, 08:45 AM) *
Your so thoughtful Destiny! energetic.gif


QUOTE(We_Destiny @ Jan 3 2008, 07:04 PM) *
Come in share your stories.

A place / a home / an arena for those wronged / hurt / scammed to communicate stories, scream, cry and heal themselves past the pain of lost love.



Not thoughtful tired of the fraud, scammer and deport direction most threads were going in.

Also, I'm not trying to be funny / scarcastic. I TRUELY BELIEVE having a topic designated to the subject is practical.
Lurking
QUOTE(We_Destiny @ Jan 4 2008, 10:10 AM) *
QUOTE(MrsJibowu @ Jan 4 2008, 08:45 AM) *
Your so thoughtful Destiny! energetic.gif


QUOTE(We_Destiny @ Jan 3 2008, 07:04 PM) *
Come in share your stories.

A place / a home / an arena for those wronged / hurt / scammed to communicate stories, scream, cry and heal themselves past the pain of lost love.



Not thoughtful tired of the fraud, scammer and deport direction most threads were going in.

Also, I'm not trying to be funny / scarcastic. I TRUELY BELIEVE having a topic designated to the subject is practical.


If I know which one you were talking about, that was the topic of the post. Not like it changed in the middle. People know her mission and should stay away from her postings if they have a problem with her topics and responses.

This post showed up in the African Sub portal Discussion, which leaves out other part of the country where visa fraud also takes place. You should post it in the off topic or adjustment after arrival in us. (something like that)
We_Destiny
QUOTE(MrsJibowu @ Jan 4 2008, 09:25 AM) *
QUOTE(We_Destiny @ Jan 4 2008, 10:10 AM) *
QUOTE(MrsJibowu @ Jan 4 2008, 08:45 AM) *
Your so thoughtful Destiny! energetic.gif


QUOTE(We_Destiny @ Jan 3 2008, 07:04 PM) *
Come in share your stories.

A place / a home / an arena for those wronged / hurt / scammed to communicate stories, scream, cry and heal themselves past the pain of lost love.



Not thoughtful tired of the fraud, scammer and deport direction most threads were going in.

Also, I'm not trying to be funny / scarcastic. I TRUELY BELIEVE having a topic designated to the subject is practical.


If I know which one you were talking about, that was the topic of the post. Not like it changed in the middle. People know her mission and should stay away from her postings if they have a problem with her topics and responses.

Are you asking me to clarify a statement, suggesting that I stay away from topics, or giving me creative criticism? I can't decipher your response.


This post showed up in the African Sub portal Discussion, which leaves out other part of the country where visa fraud also takes place. You should post it in the off topic or adjustment after arrival in us. (something like that)

A mod and or organizer can move it.


Sad to say that I don't post alot in other areas, I primarily post in Sub-Sahara, and since most of the post I noticed were hi-jacked or changed direction in topics were in this portal, I decided to place this topic here.

As you put it in your first response, I was just being thoughtful. I don't have any experience in fraud to contribute to the topic just giving an alternative, as was suggested by a few people during the discussions to keep down some of the tension that was building.




Lurking
sorry I was at work and was just making quick & vague communication. I had read you statement in another post that you were going to do this. The post I read this in Was regarding a poster (idocare) that is commonly know in the Nigerian Portal for posting her thought on deportaion and fraud. This is the forum I was talking about was "What would u do ?, u discovered husband/wife only wanted greencard".

So people in there were complain were this topic was going when the inception of the topic was already there.

This had nothing to do with criticism. Just conversation.



I was making a suggestion to post this someplace else so the topic is not only base around people in the African Sub region. The people might not generalized and focus on the action and not the culture.



Perseverance
BUMP....



Let the healing begin.... good.gif
LovinLiberia
This thread was started with a good purpose, but it somehow died. It's always interesting to hear other's stories of fraud. What happened to We_Destiny, by the way? I haven't seen her in a while.
ZeeNusah
QUOTE(LovinLiberia @ Feb 18 2008, 08:45 PM) *
This thread was started with a good purpose, but it somehow died. It's always interesting to hear other's stories of fraud. What happened to We_Destiny, by the way? I haven't seen her in a while.


She was on here a little while ago...I wonder where she went.
ebonyqueen
Ok...I got a story whistling.gif

Chapter One

Once upon a time....
In a land far far away (I think Nigeria), There was this man. He was a medicine man. He took care of all the sick people in his village. He spent many long hours at his clinic, but made very little money for his efforts. One day he got a wonderful idea. Maybe if he could meet an American woman, she would fall in love with him, and bring him to the USA where he could become a rich and successful doctor. He began searching dating sites, chat rooms, myspace, facebook, and many other social sites in search of his Queen. One day he happened upon a woman who seemed the perfect one. He communicated with her for many months, sending her poetry and professing his love. He was surprised to discover that she believed everything he told her and she too began professing her love for him. Soon she wanted to come for a visit. He prepared all his family for her arrival. He explained that she was to be the one that would take him to America. The whole village was in joyous anticipation of her visit. They all wanted to meet this woman who declared her love for the doctor before they had even met. And who would be so trusting and generous to accept his every word as the truth. The time they shared was wonderful. Everyone was so nice and polite to her. She felt at ease and comfortable with this man, the doctor. They became engaged.

When she returned home she began the process of applying for his visa. Many months went by and the time seemed to stand still. The doctor continued his work, and patiently awaited the news of their approval. He knew in the back of his mind that what he was doing was not perfect in God's eyes...but he thought, "maybe I will come to love this woman when I am away from the perils of my country, and I will have peace in my percieved deception". There were many times he questioned whether he sould ever love this woman. She seemed to have emotional issues that would surface from time to time, and at times seemed to have anger and sadness inside her heart. But he began praying that God give him the strength and courage to face this deed that he had done, and he tried to explain that he had to try to make a better life for his family, and if it meant sacrificing one person for the sake of many...then God should understand.

The time had finally arrived. He was on his way to the Land of Riches..America! He would soon be building a new life for himself, and one in which he could support his family back home. His fiance greeted him at the airport, and the first day of the rest of his life was about to begin. They had many wedding plans to make, and the doctor began the difficult process of adjusting to a new way of life. As he soon realized, it was not as easy as he had imagined. His new wife was not the person he had thought she was.She became pregnant. Her emotional instability began to dominate the atmosphere to the point that the doctor had to distance himself. Her demands became unbearable. She began to become intolorant to his lack of understanding of the customs and ways of the western world. She expected him to do and be more than he was capable of at this time. He began seeking people in the community who he could talk to and who would understand. He gained self confidence and strength from his new circle of friends. He discovered there were many other men who had attempted his same journey, who also were in a marriage they were not happy in. Some of them "scammed" their wives into marrying them, others were genuine in the beginning but grew to realize they never really knew their wife at all. Some were still married, and determined to make it work. Others were trying desperately to find ways out. He heard stories of abuse, both physical and psychological, and also of those who would lie about it in order to get away from their wives.

He knew he could no longer pretend. He decided after the baby was born, he would leave his wife. Althought he loved his child, he knew that God would take of it in his absence. He knew there would come a day when he would be reunited with his child again. But right now he could no longer stand to be around his nagging, selfish, angry, hurtful, pitiful wife. If he was there a minute longer he feared what would happen. So he prayed...and God told him to be done. To move on. To learn from his mistakes. To become a better man. And so he he did.

Although he still suffers the pains of his defeat. He continues to grow and learn. His ex-wife has not been so fortunate. She has been unable to cope with the loss. She despises this doctor who stole her heart and broke it in two. She curses his evilness every chance she gets, and preaches the ugliness to all who will listen. She blames everything on the doctor who was only after a greencard. She talks of others who will do the same, and warns all the naive, immature, gullible women of the world to be careful, as soon you will be a victim too. She lives in anger and resentment, and is unable to accept any responsibility for the outcome. She lives in a cocoon of despair. Wanting only to retaliate and condemn.


Chapter 2?

(Ok people...who's next? Let's keep this story going. But of course keep it within the topic! we don't want to derail this thread!!!) no0pb.gif



Footnote: This is a hypothetical story, any similarites to real people or events is strictly coincidental. wink.gif














































Omoba
Wow. You should become a writer wink.gif
Queen Jenn
That's a good story with an interesting perspective. I'm not much of a writer, so I won't mess up the story by continuing it. I'll let someone else do that.

But it did remind me . . . .THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY!!!
Don't judge because you don't have all the facts.
LovinLiberia
That was a very interesting and well put together story. I like it...anyone up for chapter 2?
Bassi and Zainab
I didn't like that story being posted. I found it hurtful. I just want to be done with this crap. I don't like the direction this forum is moving in. We really need to remain positive and supportive of each other. When negativity is thrown out, the wind blows it back. Please don't let it stain you. We've been positive people supporting each other where ever we are on this journey. There has been negativity on this forum that is bringing everything else down. Admittedly, it's a distraction from our own journey which can be painful. I miss Bassi and it hurts like hell that we're still not together. But I don't want to be distracted from the pain. I want to feel support and be supportive to others. Maybe it is best that we just ignore certain posts because it seems to change us and the flavor of this forum when we don't. My mother always taught me that when something is changing who you are or how you behave for the negative, eliminate it from your life. Let's give that a try.
ose_n_me
QUOTE(Bassi and Zainab @ Feb 19 2008, 06:17 AM) *
I didn't like that story being posted. I found it hurtful. I just want to be done with this crap. I don't like the direction this forum is moving in. We really need to remain positive and supportive of each other. When negativity is thrown out, the wind blows it back. Please don't let it stain you. We've been positive people supporting each other where ever we are on this journey. There has been negativity on this forum that is bringing everything else down. Admittedly, it's a distraction from our own journey which can be painful. I miss Bassi and it hurts like hell that we're still not together. But I don't want to be distracted from the pain. I want to feel support and be supportive to others. Maybe it is best that we just ignore certain posts because it seems to change us and the flavor of this forum when we don't. My mother always taught me that when something is changing who you are or how you behave for the negative, eliminate it from your life. Let's give that a try.


I agree with you, it was a little over the top, although I think it was posted to make a point rather than to be negative. I just think ebony wanted to offer the reality that there are two sides to every story, and that sometimes things dont happen the way they seem, or can be interrpreted differently from each persons perspective. I think she touched on some interesting subjects. We all see life thru different eyes.

I think there is always gonna be the need for a place to post negative stuff, or feelings, otherwise it will be creeping into all the other posts. (as we have seen!!!!) And the majority of us need to have the positive encouraging place to go, while others need to vent in a more negative way. The bottom line is, if we don't want to read/respond to the negative stuff, then we can move on.

Maybe this will be a starting point to start having a more mature and realistic discussion on "scamming" and immigration fraud, cuz we all know its out there.


God Bless heart.gif
Boaz
QUOTE(Bassi and Zainab @ Feb 19 2008, 09:17 AM) *
I didn't like that story being posted. I found it hurtful. I just want to be done with this crap. I don't like the direction this forum is moving in. We really need to remain positive and supportive of each other. When negativity is thrown out, the wind blows it back. Please don't let it stain you. We've been positive people supporting each other where ever we are on this journey. There has been negativity on this forum that is bringing everything else down. Admittedly, it's a distraction from our own journey which can be painful. I miss Bassi and it hurts like hell that we're still not together. But I don't want to be distracted from the pain. I want to feel support and be supportive to others. Maybe it is best that we just ignore certain posts because it seems to change us and the flavor of this forum when we don't. My mother always taught me that when something is changing who you are or how you behave for the negative, eliminate it from your life. Let's give that a try.



I TOTALLY agree with you!!!!!!!!

Boaz
JJWashington
QUOTE(Boaz @ Feb 19 2008, 09:00 AM) *
QUOTE(Bassi and Zainab @ Feb 19 2008, 09:17 AM) *
I didn't like that story being posted. I found it hurtful. I just want to be done with this crap. I don't like the direction this forum is moving in. We really need to remain positive and supportive of each other. When negativity is thrown out, the wind blows it back. Please don't let it stain you. We've been positive people supporting each other where ever we are on this journey. There has been negativity on this forum that is bringing everything else down. Admittedly, it's a distraction from our own journey which can be painful. I miss Bassi and it hurts like hell that we're still not together. But I don't want to be distracted from the pain. I want to feel support and be supportive to others. Maybe it is best that we just ignore certain posts because it seems to change us and the flavor of this forum when we don't. My mother always taught me that when something is changing who you are or how you behave for the negative, eliminate it from your life. Let's give that a try.



I TOTALLY agree with you!!!!!!!!

Boaz



I totally agree with you 2 and Ose n me.
Kanyiri
QUOTE(JJWashington @ Feb 20 2008, 04:05 AM) *
QUOTE(Boaz @ Feb 19 2008, 09:00 AM) *
QUOTE(Bassi and Zainab @ Feb 19 2008, 09:17 AM) *
I didn't like that story being posted. I found it hurtful. I just want to be done with this crap. I don't like the direction this forum is moving in. We really need to remain positive and supportive of each other. When negativity is thrown out, the wind blows it back. Please don't let it stain you. We've been positive people supporting each other where ever we are on this journey. There has been negativity on this forum that is bringing everything else down. Admittedly, it's a distraction from our own journey which can be painful. I miss Bassi and it hurts like hell that we're still not together. But I don't want to be distracted from the pain. I want to feel support and be supportive to others. Maybe it is best that we just ignore certain posts because it seems to change us and the flavor of this forum when we don't. My mother always taught me that when something is changing who you are or how you behave for the negative, eliminate it from your life. Let's give that a try.



I TOTALLY agree with you!!!!!!!!

Boaz



I totally agree with you 2 and Ose n me.


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Perseverance
I dont think that EQ was trying to be malicious, I think that she was trying to enlighten us all to the fact that there are 2 sides to every story. Many a man has been charged, given a guilty verdict and condemed from this "VJ court room" without anyone here ever hearing that mans side of the story. There are 2 sides to every story and there is not one person I dont care who you think you are or what you think you know that does not know exactly what has happened between 2 people except for those 2 people involved. Even observers to a situation have a different explanation from the other, while they both have been watching the same senario. So I thank EQ for reminding everyone that there are 2 sides to the story, and not being afraid or bullied into being silent. When a diverse group of people such as ourselves is brought together, there is bound to be disagreements, but how we choose to deal with those disagreements is the key. It has been said that everyone here is intitled to thier own opinions, so there is mine on this subject. I know that there will be those who will get out thier gavel and start to judge and sentance me...
Omoba
QUOTE(Perseverance @ Feb 21 2008, 12:09 AM) *
I dont think that EQ was trying to be malicious, I think that she was trying to enlighten us all to the fact that there are 2 sides to every story. Many a man has been charged, given a guilty verdict and condemed from this "VJ court room" without anyone here ever hearing that mans side of the story. There are 2 sides to every story and there is not one person I dont care who you think you are or what you think you know that does not know exactly what has happened between 2 people except for those 2 people involved. Even observers to a situation have a different explanation from the other, while they both have been watching the same senario. So I thank EQ for reminding everyone that there are 2 sides to the story, and not being afraid or bullied into being silent. When a diverse group of people such as ourselves is brought together, there is bound to be disagreements, but how we choose to deal with those disagreements is the key. It has been said that everyone here is intitled to thier own opinions, so there is mine on this subject. I know that there will be those who will get out thier gavel and start to judge and sentance me...



I agree with this perspective.
ebonyqueen
and the moral of the story is:

There are 3 sides to every story. His side, her side and the truth! We all have to look at ourselves in the mirror and live with our actions, cuz in the end it's not what our friends, family or peers think of us, it's what God thinks!


Peace, Love and Happiness rose.gif
Queen Jenn
QUOTE(ebonyqueen @ Feb 21 2008, 02:41 AM) *
and the moral of the story is:

There are 3 sides to every story. His side, her side and the truth! We all have to look at ourselves in the mirror and live with our actions, cuz in the end it's not what our friends, family or peers think of us, it's what God thinks!


Peace, Love and Happiness rose.gif


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idocare
This is precisely why some people don't come foward with THEIR reality story. From the first time I posted my story I knew of the possibility of negative responses and people trying to change my reality.
We_Destiny
QUOTE(Queen Jenn @ Feb 21 2008, 12:21 PM) *



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Queen Jenn
Thanks. I hope you don't mind that I saw yours and decided I had to have one, too!!
southernchic
IMHO, if people don't want to hear negative stories on VJ they shouldn't read threads about immigration fraud. This message header was 100% clear about its stated purpose: to give people a space to talk about international love gone bad via fraud.

Now if you're not in a space to read that, then skip over it and focus on something else. Simple. There are lots of different topics and postings here on VJ. There's plenty of room here in cyberspace for people to read happy stories and sad stories.

JaEnglishGirl
Once in a land some know as the land of opportunity, there lived a woman.
Despite the fact she thought she was attractive and had much to offer, she was unable to find someone there.
So when she found a man across the seas, she thought all her Christmases had come at once.
He professed to be Christian, as she herself did, and claimed to adore her as none had ever been adored before.
People saw through him, but this man had wooed many foreign women before, and also had the experience of his fellows to fill her head with the illusion of his undying love....
She rode on such a high she proclaimed herself Queen....
Then one day, she found a website filled with other women also with their heads high up in the clouds and she rejoiced.
One day, she saw someone post a story that cast possible doubts on her fairytale and despite proclaiming herself a positive, intelligent woman, she immediately unleashed a stream of vitriol on the poster for daring to post.
She indignantly complained to her 'prince' who nervously jumped on the bandwagon in case his house of cards should come tumbling down....'Outrageous' he shouted loudly, 'This woman merely wants to stir up trouble'.
She breathed a sigh of relief and concentrated harder to silence this poster who was forcing questions to pop up in her mind...'Funny how he managed to live to his age without wanting to marry someone else, then within a few months he was consumed with an all-compassing desire to marry'...'How did he manage to eat BEFORE I came along?....'Does his family REALLY like me, or are they overjoyed at the new life for their son?'....'I'm not pretty or slim, he has the body of Adonis, what REALLY attracts him?'
To silence those nagging doubts, she spent more and more of her time proclaiming the poster bitter, mentally ill and twisted...
An ocean away, her love interested breathed a sigh of relief as he rubbed his hands together at the thought of the shiny new green card that would soon be in it, and chuckled at the irony...







Any resemblance to real life characters on a message board is amazingly co-incidental and of course completely unintentional
panamania79
QUOTE(We_Destiny @ Jan 3 2008, 07:04 PM) *
Come in share your stories.

A place / a home / an arena for those wronged / hurt / scammed to communicate stories, scream, cry and heal themselves past the pain of lost love.


Why did you have to get me started,lol? I know many tales of deceit and heartbrake.I only have time to tell you two.

Once upon a time in a small state called RI,there was a gentleman who was a sucessful business owner in the town of Central Falls.People would go to his business to send money back home,use the phone booths to call their countries,buy phone cards,cell phones,you name it,he had it.This man was also happily married to his high school sweetheart who he hed met in his country.Unfortunately,his wife developed a uncurable strain of breast cancer and she succumbed to it in less than a year.Three months later,this man went to his country,supposedly to get over the greif of losing the love of his life.To everyone's surprise,he brought back a supemodel like woman half his age and said it was his wife.He sold his small business in Central Falls,and him and his arm-candy moved to South Carolina.In three months,this girl got her things,and left this man high and dry. devil.gif

I know this lady in my neighborhood who has the reputatation of marrying guys so they can stay in the USA.Her last(and 3rd) husband got deported for statutory rape of her own 16 year old daughter.Now she's on her 4th husband who just happened to be here illegally also.So one day when I saw her at the market,I just asked her why she liked men who didn't have green cards so much.She was quite honest with me and said that she needed someone to pay her bills and mortgage. blink.gif
Queen Jenn
QUOTE(panamania79 @ Feb 23 2008, 08:22 AM) *
QUOTE(We_Destiny @ Jan 3 2008, 07:04 PM) *
Come in share your stories.

A place / a home / an arena for those wronged / hurt / scammed to communicate stories, scream, cry and heal themselves past the pain of lost love.


Why did you have to get me started,lol? I know many tales of deceit and heartbrake.I only have time to tell you two.

Once upon a time in a small state called RI,there was a gentleman who was a sucessful business owner in the town of Central Falls.People would go to his business to send money back home,use the phone booths to call their countries,buy phone cards,cell phones,you name it,he had it.This man was also happily married to his high school sweetheart who he hed met in his country.Unfortunately,his wife developed a uncurable strain of breast cancer and she succumbed to it in less than a year.Three months later,this man went to his country,supposedly to get over the greif of losing the love of his life.To everyone's surprise,he brought back a supemodel like woman half his age and said it was his wife.He sold his small business in Central Falls,and him and his arm-candy moved to South Carolina.In three months,this girl got her things,and left this man high and dry. devil.gif

I know this lady in my neighborhood who has the reputatation of marrying guys so they can stay in the USA.Her last(and 3rd) husband got deported for statutory rape of her own 16 year old daughter.Now she's on her 4th husband who just happened to be here illegally also.So one day when I saw her at the market,I just asked her why she liked men who didn't have green cards so much.She was quite honest with me and said that she needed someone to pay her bills and mortgage. blink.gif


Wow blink.gif
Hanging in there
QUOTE(idocare @ Feb 21 2008, 04:03 PM) *
This is precisely why some people don't come foward with THEIR reality story. From the first time I posted my story I knew of the possibility of negative responses and people trying to change my reality.

Hi

I am not going to get into what happened to me 4 years ago with someone hurting me but I will share one thing with you. You have got to stop doing this on the boards... If I was Nigerian and I had to deal with someone as venemous as you, I would not see my kid either. I was financially and emotionally violated by a foreigner and raged for years about it. It does nothing but raise your cortisol count and make you fat and miserable and get wrinkles. You need to lay down the anger. Look for the positives about Nigerians, maybe even positively reach out to some and teach your son Nigerian culture. Get a hobby, take some meds, I dont know , date some Americans. But stop this idiotic ranting on the boards and grow up. I have an asthma attack just listening to you . I was ROyALLY SCREWED by a guy a few years ago. He never got papers from me but trust me, he violated me. I was mad... But then I decided my baby was more important than raging for years and years.. I am remarried and trust me my insecurity rears its ugly head...

But stop demonising Nigerians ... they already have a bad rap . the reality is that some of these visa journey relationships will work. Some will not. Some women will have an adventure. Some will suffer and some will end up with a whole different life due to their experiences. I am having a baby now with my new husband. If I stayed like you,,,, I wouldnt have a damn thing.. and trust me I was screwed blue and tattooed. For your mental health and your kid, FORGIVE..... let it go... and stop ranting and raving around here.. everyone gets your point already
idocare
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