I was asking JQ, not you.
An illegal way to obtain citizenship could be keeping back information that would prevent you from getting the US citizenship. An example is a recent case where an old man, originally from Lithuania, went into removal proceedings because he didn't tell USCIS, or then INS, about his involvement in NS operations during WWII.

Of course not.

I see where you're going with this and I can't say I don't agree - I've never seen anyone say what D&N says he's "seen" - people saying, "Oh yeah, come on over on VWP and adjust status".
People successfully adjust from VWP/tourist/alternate visa types all the time because the law allows for it. I don't see this site as "ONLY" about filing a petition from overseas, because there are people who need help who don't have to do that. Unfortunately, since this site is mainly filled up with people who file while their SO is overseas, some people feel it's acceptable to go on a diatribe about how anyone who adjusts from an alternate visa has questionable morals, or they should all be deported, or how it's so hard to get approved, or a whole bunch of opinion that isn't fact.
I've found the only thing you can really do about it is speak up with what is fact. May get you a bad rap by those spouting the ignorance, but they aren't really my concern.

No, our disagreement has to do with D&N saying he sees things that I don't believe exist here. I don't believe people here say 'hey come over on the VWP and adjust status'. I don't believe he gets 'attacked' for pointing out that is illegal. I agree fully with meow mix above.

The question of VWP to AOS is a perfectly legitimate path, but it all boils down to intent, as I said from the start. Some people fail to grasp that. I've seen a poster come on and say (S)he was here on a work visa, but then met someone and now they want to marry....and some people saying 'well go home and file a K1' when that is absolutely not necc. Pointing out that the poster could just marry and file for AOS because (s)he's already here, and entered the country with no intent to immigrate is not advocating illegal means.

Whether D&N is confusing things like that with what he feels, I dunno. But when he offered to show the countless examples, I said 'ok' and then he failed to do it. In this thread he's said many things, but backed up none. So I called bullsh!t.

As far as the Admin on this board and what they allow....what you need to understand is that this is not a paid help desk. This is a site for people in the same boats to swap anecdotal stories of what worked for them. If E is alerted to information that is flat out wrong, I'm sure he would remove it. And the members do a good job at governing the flow of information. But like everything else...caveat emptor....buyer beware....no one here should use VJ solely without reading up and verifying the information with USCIS.gov.

Thanks. That was a nice warm welcome to my questions.

So I just 'need to understand' and keep my mouth shut, right?

You all sure have a strange way of doing things around here, that's for sure.

Guys this thread is going no where with the back and forth snipes. If you want to do that then use the PM system. If you have constructive ideas or can discuss topics without bickering then please feel free to post them here.