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I have an ongoing 'discussion' with my husband about whether to submit tax returns or transcripts.  

 

Shall I submit tax returns and/or transcripts with my ROC package?    We have joint tax returns for the last three years plus we filed joint state taxes.

 

I have read on VJ it's better to file the transcripts, can someone please explain why?

 

Thank you

I'm from the UK, hubby is from Michigan and is a retired US Army LTC.   We are currently stationed overseas.

Here is our immigration journey so far....

10.26.13 - Our wedding in Scotland 

11.26.14 - Filed I-130 at US Consulate, Frankfurt (DCF)

11.18.14 - Returned to Scotland to renew our vows for our first wedding anniversary

01.08.15 - NOA2 received in snail mail, together with case number and Packet 3 instructions

02.15.15 - Submitted Packet 3

02.17.15 - Packet 4 received by email with instructions to schedule medical and interview

02.18.15 - Email authorisation received from Consulate to gain access to appointment calendar

03.03.15 - Medical

03.18.15 - Interview - Approved

03.21.15 - Visa in hand

06.10.15 - POE Chicago (final destination Detroit)

07.20.15 - Received SSN in mail

07.27.15 - Received 2 year green card in mail

The journey to ROC starts here...!

10.05.15 - Returned to Germany on government orders

05.25.17 - Mailed ROC package to California Service Centre

06.14.17 - Received NOA 1 (dated 05.30.17) in mail

09.05.18 - Received a second NOA (dated 08.11.18) in mail granting a further six months extension to green card due to 'processing delays'

11.26.18 - ROC - Approved

12.05.18 - Approval Notice I-797 received in mail

12.18.18 - 10 year green card received in mail

The journey to citizenship starts here...!

 

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Transcripts have the full information. 

 

W-2 shows the income earned by a person.

 

1040 is submitted to IRS to pay federal taxes.

For my I-129F, K-1, AOS, EAD, AP and ROC detailed timelines, please refer to my timeline page :)

ROC filed on December 1, 2020, assigned to SRC, approved within 106 days on February 18, 2021.

My sincerest gratitude to all VJers, especially the late geowrian.

 

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Tax transcripts is preferred. Why. Less paperwork. When returns are submitted it has be the whole return with all schedules and attachments. There is more to get lost in the sorting of the package. The transcript is 2 to 3 pages with all the need in there certified by the irs. Few things to get lost and for them to have to look at.

 

 

 

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Tax returns (turbo tax, hr block, etc) shows what you filed, IRS transcripts are the official confirmation of what you filed. That's why IRS transcripts are better. However, when I filed my ROC almost 2 years ago, I had no idea what the heck is a tax transcript and sent our H&R block returns (even without copies of W2s). I passed through without any RFE but had I encountered RFE, it would have potentially cost me another 3-4 months because I was a Vermont Service Center filer.

 

IRS transcripts are so easy to get. You could get them same day at local IRS office, if you go and ask for a copy online, you'll get them in the mail during next week.

 

Besides USCIS specifically asks for IRS transcripts for N400 applicants, so you will use them in the future again if you're planning to naturalize.

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1 minute ago, charmander said:

Tax returns (turbo tax, hr block, etc) shows what you filed, IRS transcripts are the official confirmation of what you filed. That's why IRS transcripts are better. However, when I filed my ROC almost 2 years ago, I had no idea what the heck is a tax transcript and sent our H&R block returns (even without copies of W2s). I passed through without any RFE but had I encountered RFE, it would have potentially cost me another 3-4 months because I was a Vermont Service Center filer.

 

IRS transcripts are so easy to get. You could get them same day at local IRS office, if you go and ask for a copy online, you'll get them in the mail during next week.

 

Besides USCIS specifically asks for IRS transcripts for N400 applicants, so you will use them in the future again if you're planning to naturalize.

Thank you!  

 

I will get my husband to order them online.  I hope they don't take too long as we are living in Germany.  I am working on getting my package mailed over the next weeks.  

 

If I don't get the transcripts in time do you think tax returns and W2's will be acceptable instead?

I'm from the UK, hubby is from Michigan and is a retired US Army LTC.   We are currently stationed overseas.

Here is our immigration journey so far....

10.26.13 - Our wedding in Scotland 

11.26.14 - Filed I-130 at US Consulate, Frankfurt (DCF)

11.18.14 - Returned to Scotland to renew our vows for our first wedding anniversary

01.08.15 - NOA2 received in snail mail, together with case number and Packet 3 instructions

02.15.15 - Submitted Packet 3

02.17.15 - Packet 4 received by email with instructions to schedule medical and interview

02.18.15 - Email authorisation received from Consulate to gain access to appointment calendar

03.03.15 - Medical

03.18.15 - Interview - Approved

03.21.15 - Visa in hand

06.10.15 - POE Chicago (final destination Detroit)

07.20.15 - Received SSN in mail

07.27.15 - Received 2 year green card in mail

The journey to ROC starts here...!

10.05.15 - Returned to Germany on government orders

05.25.17 - Mailed ROC package to California Service Centre

06.14.17 - Received NOA 1 (dated 05.30.17) in mail

09.05.18 - Received a second NOA (dated 08.11.18) in mail granting a further six months extension to green card due to 'processing delays'

11.26.18 - ROC - Approved

12.05.18 - Approval Notice I-797 received in mail

12.18.18 - 10 year green card received in mail

The journey to citizenship starts here...!

 

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1 minute ago, Sunflower18 said:

Thank you!  

 

I will get my husband to order them online.  I hope they don't take too long as we are living in Germany.  I am working on getting my package mailed over the next weeks.  

 

If I don't get the transcripts in time do you think tax returns and W2's will be acceptable instead?

Yes, as I said I went through with our H&R block returns and I didn't even send our W2s. But an RFE shouldn't shock you guys either. It depends how the officer handling your case feels about these things.

 

If you have time try to get transcripts, if you absolutely don't have time and need to file, go with tax returns+W2s.

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Transcripts normally take under a week from request to arrival within the USA.  If you are having them mailed to someone in the USA and then forwarded to you I assume it would only be a few days longer (if you mail with DHL from US to Germany).

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Filed from abroad- Costa Rica

NOA1- NOA2: 316 days

Jan 12, 2013: Married!!
Mar 19, 2013: NOA1

Jan 28, 2014: I-130 approved

NVC- Green Card in Hand: 189 days

Feb 3, 2014: TSC sends case to NVC
April 14: Real checklist for AOS (saying tax number was incorrect when it wasn't)
April 30: Another AOS checklist, for proof of employment (which was already sent)
May 1: Checklist for IV- certified marriage certificate (even though I sent a certified one originally)
July 1: INTERVIEW!!! - APPROVED!
July 16: POE through Miami
July 22: SSN card in the mail
August 30, 2014: Green card arrives in the mail!!!
 
ROC: 366 days
April 27, 2016: Sent 300 page ROC packet to VSC via overnight mail
May 16: Check shown as charged online, received NOA 1 dated April 29
June 20, 2016- Biometrics
April 28, 2017: Approval
May 4, 2017: Approval letter arrived
May 15, 2017: GC arrives in mail
 
N-400: 190 days
May 8: Sent packet to Dallas Lockbox
May 12: NOA 1, Credit card charged
June 7: Biometrics
June 16: "In line"
Oct 2: Interview letter arrives (online status still says ''in line'')
Oct 31: Interview- Approved!
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Let me illustrate this answer. You can submit a fraudulent IRS Tax return that looks original but is fake.  A transcript is an acknowledgement by the IRS that you file for sure with them a return.  One is oficial and the other could be bogus.  That is why they prefer a transcript from the IRS.

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You can download tax transcripts online and print them off on the same day. You have to sign up on the IRS website which is a bit of a pain but once you have done it, you can get the transcripts immediately.

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K1

15 November 2013: Sent I-129F Package 

21 November 2013: NOA1 

20 December 2013: NOA2

23 January 2014: Medical (London)

11 April 2014: Interview - Approved!

29 April 2014: POE Chicago

20 June 2014: Married in DC

AOS

7 July 2014: Mailed AOSEAD & AP forms via USPS

14 July 2014: NOA1 Text & E-Mails (x3) received at 23:52hrs (Received Date: 07/11/2014)

14 July 2014: Cheque cashed & I-485 transferred to Nebraska Service Centre

18 July 2014: NOA1 hardcopy received (x3)

22 July 2014: Biometrics Letter rec'd (Appointment 07/31/2014)

23 July 2014: Early Biometrics walk-in at Cincinnati office successful!

05 September 2014: EAD & AP approved! (texts rec'd 16:45hrs)

11 September 2014: EAD/AP card mailed

12 September 2014: EAD/AP card in hand (delivered 9:54am)

18 October 2014: Potential interview waiver letter rec'd (Dated: 10/15/2014)

19 May 2015: I-485 approved! (No interview) Welcome letter mailed!

23 May 2015: I-797 (NOA2) Welcome notice received

27 May 2015: Green card received

 

ROC

ROC filing window opens 18 February 2017

16 February 2017: ROC packet mailed to CSC

18 February 2017: USPS Tracking - Ready for collection from PO Box

25 February 2017: NOA1 received dated 02/21/2017

03 March 2017: Received biometrics appointment letter dated 25th February 2017. Appointment on 16 March 2017.

16 March 2017: Biometrics completed

08 March 2018: Case (allegedly) transferred to the National Benefits Center (presumably for a combo interview)

04 April 2019: ROC approved (as part of N-400 combo interview)

N-400

18 February 2018: N-400 Application submitted online

21 February 2018: NOA1 Rreceived

23 February 2018: Biometrics appointment letter received. Appointment 13 March 2018. 

27 April 2018: Interview notice received. Interview Date: June 5, 2018. Request to reschedule sent as out of the country at that time.

04 April 2019: Attended interview ... PASSED!

11 April 2019: Oath ceremony

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19 minutes ago, Derwood said:

You can download tax transcripts online and print them off on the same day. You have to sign up on the IRS website which is a bit of a pain but once you have done it, you can get the transcripts immediately.

I don't know why but that online service didn't work for us so far. I've tried it just to get a copy of our 2016 returns. My wife is the main filer hence trying to register with my information didn't go through at all. When we tried with her information, the system couldn't confirm her  phone number we had on file (for the records she owns the same phone number for the last 11 years). It said they would send us some information on how to register in the mail. This was almost two weeks ago, nothing showed up so far. Meantime, I ordered the transcripts using the mail option and 5 days later they showed up in the mailbox.

 

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1 minute ago, charmander said:

I don't know why but that online service didn't work for us so far. I've tried it just to get a copy of our 2016 returns. My wife is the main filer hence trying to register with my information didn't go through at all. When we tried with her information, the system couldn't confirm her  phone number we had on file (for the records she owns the same phone number for the last 11 years). It said they would send us some information on how to register in the mail. This was almost two weeks ago, nothing showed up so far. Meantime, I ordered the transcripts using the mail option and 5 days later they showed up in the mailbox.

 

We had exactly the same thing happen. The letter did come eventually. I thought it was just a problem for us!

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K1

15 November 2013: Sent I-129F Package 

21 November 2013: NOA1 

20 December 2013: NOA2

23 January 2014: Medical (London)

11 April 2014: Interview - Approved!

29 April 2014: POE Chicago

20 June 2014: Married in DC

AOS

7 July 2014: Mailed AOSEAD & AP forms via USPS

14 July 2014: NOA1 Text & E-Mails (x3) received at 23:52hrs (Received Date: 07/11/2014)

14 July 2014: Cheque cashed & I-485 transferred to Nebraska Service Centre

18 July 2014: NOA1 hardcopy received (x3)

22 July 2014: Biometrics Letter rec'd (Appointment 07/31/2014)

23 July 2014: Early Biometrics walk-in at Cincinnati office successful!

05 September 2014: EAD & AP approved! (texts rec'd 16:45hrs)

11 September 2014: EAD/AP card mailed

12 September 2014: EAD/AP card in hand (delivered 9:54am)

18 October 2014: Potential interview waiver letter rec'd (Dated: 10/15/2014)

19 May 2015: I-485 approved! (No interview) Welcome letter mailed!

23 May 2015: I-797 (NOA2) Welcome notice received

27 May 2015: Green card received

 

ROC

ROC filing window opens 18 February 2017

16 February 2017: ROC packet mailed to CSC

18 February 2017: USPS Tracking - Ready for collection from PO Box

25 February 2017: NOA1 received dated 02/21/2017

03 March 2017: Received biometrics appointment letter dated 25th February 2017. Appointment on 16 March 2017.

16 March 2017: Biometrics completed

08 March 2018: Case (allegedly) transferred to the National Benefits Center (presumably for a combo interview)

04 April 2019: ROC approved (as part of N-400 combo interview)

N-400

18 February 2018: N-400 Application submitted online

21 February 2018: NOA1 Rreceived

23 February 2018: Biometrics appointment letter received. Appointment 13 March 2018. 

27 April 2018: Interview notice received. Interview Date: June 5, 2018. Request to reschedule sent as out of the country at that time.

04 April 2019: Attended interview ... PASSED!

11 April 2019: Oath ceremony

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1 hour ago, Derwood said:

You can download tax transcripts online and print them off on the same day. You have to sign up on the IRS website which is a bit of a pain but once you have done it, you can get the transcripts immediately.

 

1 hour ago, charmander said:

I don't know why but that online service didn't work for us so far. I've tried it just to get a copy of our 2016 returns.

 

 

1 hour ago, Derwood said:

We had exactly the same thing happen. The letter did come eventually. I thought it was just a problem for us!

This was once an option in the past but IRS has since removed it. I remember using the download transcripts feature a few years ago. Don't know what prompted them to get rid of it. It was a nice feature to have.

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26 minutes ago, NuestraUnion said:

 

 

This was once an option in the past but IRS has since removed it. I remember using the download transcripts feature a few years ago. Don't know what prompted them to get rid of it. It was a nice feature to have.

I used the facility three days ago. It's back!

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K1

15 November 2013: Sent I-129F Package 

21 November 2013: NOA1 

20 December 2013: NOA2

23 January 2014: Medical (London)

11 April 2014: Interview - Approved!

29 April 2014: POE Chicago

20 June 2014: Married in DC

AOS

7 July 2014: Mailed AOSEAD & AP forms via USPS

14 July 2014: NOA1 Text & E-Mails (x3) received at 23:52hrs (Received Date: 07/11/2014)

14 July 2014: Cheque cashed & I-485 transferred to Nebraska Service Centre

18 July 2014: NOA1 hardcopy received (x3)

22 July 2014: Biometrics Letter rec'd (Appointment 07/31/2014)

23 July 2014: Early Biometrics walk-in at Cincinnati office successful!

05 September 2014: EAD & AP approved! (texts rec'd 16:45hrs)

11 September 2014: EAD/AP card mailed

12 September 2014: EAD/AP card in hand (delivered 9:54am)

18 October 2014: Potential interview waiver letter rec'd (Dated: 10/15/2014)

19 May 2015: I-485 approved! (No interview) Welcome letter mailed!

23 May 2015: I-797 (NOA2) Welcome notice received

27 May 2015: Green card received

 

ROC

ROC filing window opens 18 February 2017

16 February 2017: ROC packet mailed to CSC

18 February 2017: USPS Tracking - Ready for collection from PO Box

25 February 2017: NOA1 received dated 02/21/2017

03 March 2017: Received biometrics appointment letter dated 25th February 2017. Appointment on 16 March 2017.

16 March 2017: Biometrics completed

08 March 2018: Case (allegedly) transferred to the National Benefits Center (presumably for a combo interview)

04 April 2019: ROC approved (as part of N-400 combo interview)

N-400

18 February 2018: N-400 Application submitted online

21 February 2018: NOA1 Rreceived

23 February 2018: Biometrics appointment letter received. Appointment 13 March 2018. 

27 April 2018: Interview notice received. Interview Date: June 5, 2018. Request to reschedule sent as out of the country at that time.

04 April 2019: Attended interview ... PASSED!

11 April 2019: Oath ceremony

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