Turkey downs Russian warplane near Syria border,

[lostinblue 1,989]

Turkey downs Russian warplane near Syria border, Moscow denies air space violation
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Turkey shot down a Russian warplane near the Syrian border on Tuesday, saying it had repeatedly violated its air space, one of the most serious publicly acknowledged clashes between a NATO member country and Russia for half a century.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said the plane had been attacked when it was 1 km (0.62 mile) inside Syria and warned of "serious consequences" for what he termed a "stab in the back". Russian and Turkish shares fell on fears of an escalation between the former Cold War enemies.

Each country summoned a diplomatic representative of the other and NATO called a meeting of its ambassadors for Tuesday afternoon.

Footage from private Turkish broadcaster Haberturk TV showed the warplane going down in flames in a woodland area, a long plume of smoke trailing behind it. The plane went down in area known by Turks as "Turkmen Mountain", it said.

Separate footage from Turkey's Anadolu Agency showed two pilots parachuting out of the jet before it crashed. A Syrian rebel group sent a video to Reuters that appeared to show one of the pilots immobile and badly wounded on the ground and an official from the group said he was dead.

Russia's defense ministry said one of its Su-24 fighter jets had been downed in Syria and that, according to preliminary information, the pilots were able to eject.

"For the entire duration of the flight, the aircraft was exclusively over Syrian territory,” it said.

The Turkish military said the aircraft had been warned 10 times in the space of five minutes about violating Turkish air space. Officials said a second plane had also approached the border and been warned.

"The data we have is very clear. There were two planes approaching our border, we warned them as they were getting too close," a senior Turkish official told Reuters.

"We warned them to avoid entering Turkish air space before they did, and we warned them many times. Our findings show clearly that Turkish air space was violated multiple times. And they violated it knowingly," the official said.

A second official said the incident was not an action against any specific country but a move to defend Turkey's sovereign territory within its rules of engagement.

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Russia's decision to launch separate air strikes in Syria mean Russian and NATO planes have been flying combat missions in the same air space for the first time since World War Two, targeting various insurgent groups close to Turkish borders.

A U.S. official said U.S. forces were not involved in the downing of the Russian jet, which was the first time a Russian or Soviet military aircraft has been publicly acknowledged to have been shot down by a NATO member since the 1950s.

The incident appeared to scupper hopes of a rapprochement between Russia and the West in the wake of the Islamic State attacks in Paris, which led to calls for a united front against the radical jihadist group in Syria.

Russia's main stock index fell more than two percent, while Turkish stocks fell 1.3 percent. Both the rouble and lira were weaker.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan was briefed by the head of the military, while Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu was due to report on the incident to NATO ambassadors at 1600 GMT (11:00 a.m. ET). He also ordered consultations with the United Nations and related countries.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights monitoring group said the warplane crashed in a mountainous area in the northern countryside of Latakia province, where there had been aerial bombardment earlier and where pro-government forces have been battling insurgents on the ground.

"A Russian pilot," a voice is heard saying in the video sent to Reuters as men gather around the man on the ground. "God is great," is also heard.

The rebel group that sent the video operates in the northwestern area of Syria, where groups including the Free Syrian Army are active but Islamic State, which has beheaded captives in the past, has no known presence.

The official from the group, who declined to be named for security reasons, did not mention the second Russian pilot.

Broadcaster CNN Turk earlier reported that one of the pilots was in the hands of Turkmen forces in Syria who were looking for the other one, citing local sources. Russian military helicopters were also searching for the pilots, Turkey's Dogan news agency said.

Both Russia and its ally, Syria's government, have carried out strikes in the area. A Syrian military source said the reported downing was being investigated.

Turkey called this week for a U.N. Security Council meeting to discuss attacks on Turkmens in neighboring Syria, and last week Ankara summoned the Russian ambassador to protest against the bombing of their villages.

Ankara has traditionally expressed solidarity with Syrian Turkmens, who are Syrians of Turkish descent.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is due to visit Turkey on Wednesday to discuss Syria, in a trip arranged before this incident. Erdogan is meanwhile expected to visit Russia for talks with Putin in late December.

About 1,700 people have fled the mountainous Syrian area near to the Turkish border as a result of fighting in the last three days, a Turkish official said on Monday. Russian jets have bombed the area in support of ground operations by Syrian government forces.

Some Western analysts characterized the downing of the jet as a robust response by Turkey which they said created clear red lines for Russia and should thereby make further clashes less, rather than more likely.

"Reducing the margin for error in this way lowers, rather than raises, the potential for more serious clashes,” said Keir Giles, associate fellow of the Russia and Eurasia Program at Chatham House in London.

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[eieio 1,594]

I do not believe anything that the Russians say.

[lostinblue 1,989]

I do not believe anything that the Russians say.

Turkey is saying the plane was shot down .

[Dakine10 5,452]

Russian media reported both pilots shot/killed while parachuting by Turkmen brigade rebels.

Russia still supports al-Assad while Turkey vehemently opposes his regime. Russia hitting non-ISIS targets was already an area of contention between the two countries. Whatever the Russian plane was doing in this area, it was not targeting ISIS.

Hopefully this doesn't escalate too much.

[lostinblue 1,989]

WW3 ??

[GandD 5,966]

WW3 ??

Between who? Who has a strong enough military to actually cause a war?

[Dakine10 5,452]

WW3 ??

or worse .....?

[Teddy B 17,251]

Between who? Who has a strong enough military to actually cause a war?

It's just wishful thinking, the bunker is getting musty smelling and needs some use.

[JohnR! 5,495]

WW3 is already claimed.

A war with Russia would be WW4.

Keep up, will you? :rofl: :rofl:

or worse .....?

[Dakine10 5,452]

WW3 is already claimed.

A war with Russia would be WW4.

Keep up, will you? :rofl: :rofl:

You know - I didn't want to scare anyone.

[Teddy B 17,251]

or worse .....?

Definitely worse, much much worse!

Our chickens have come home to roost!

You know - I didn't want to scare anyone.

Just don't mention ebola.

[eieio 1,594]

Turkey is saying the plane was shot down .

And I believe them. The Russians have as much credibility as the legendary Baghdad bob.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

WW3 ??

It appears that is what Obama is leasing us to

[smilesammich 10,727]

pooor poor america. we've come such a long way, only to be thrown under the wwIII/ebola bus by isis-mole/potus obummer.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Shirley, you mean 'Obola'?

Definitely worse, much much worse!

Our chickens have come home to roost!

Just don't mention ebola.