NOT ENOUGH INCOME, NO CO-SPONSOR, DCF in Bangkok. Advice & Experiences Pls!!!!!!

[together2USA 0]

Hi there,

I really need help!!!!!! I'm a US citizen who live in Thailand for the past 9 mths. I don't earn enough income to sponsor my husband. I couldn't find a co-sponsor. We plan to apply for CR1 DCF.

I want to use my Assets to sponsor him. How much do I need to show? (Some people say 3x, some say 5x. Do they require 5x in Thailand?) Has anyone experienced using Assets as Affidavit of support filing with the USCIS in Bangkok for CR1? Any advice would be much appreciated!!!!!

[Ed and Gina 45]

Another person had a similar situation. If you have assets, you need to verify what you have. If you have property, it must be appraised by a licensed appraiser.

http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-864instr.pdf

Read the section concerning requirements...

Best of luck!

[Mark88 183]

http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/english/immigrate/immigrant-process/documents/support/i-864-frequently-asked-questions.html

What Cash Value of Assets is Needed?

The total net value of assets, less liens and liabilities against them, must equal five times the difference between the sponsor's income and 125% of the poverty level for the household size.

Sponsors of spouses and children of U.S. citizens must only prove assets valued at three times the difference between the poverty guideline and actual household income.

Sponsors of orphans who will acquire citizenship after admission to the United States must only prove assets equal to the difference between the poverty guideline and actual household income.

[together2USA 0]

http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/english/immigrate/immigrant-process/documents/support/i-864-frequently-asked-questions.html

What Cash Value of Assets is Needed?

The total net value of assets, less liens and liabilities against them, must equal five times the difference between the sponsor's income and 125% of the poverty level for the household size.

Sponsors of spouses and children of U.S. citizens must only prove assets valued at three times the difference between the poverty guideline and actual household income.

Sponsors of orphans who will acquire citizenship after admission to the United States must only prove assets equal to the difference between the poverty guideline and actual household income.

Thanks so much Mark88 for your reply. As I understand, If the assets are located in the US then I will only need 3X not 5X when petitioning for a spouse. I talked to my lawyer that I would like to use my Assets to sponsor my husband. He told me I will need 5x!!!!! I don't really get it. Do they require 5x in Thailand.? This drive me crazy. Somebody pls HELP!!!!!! Has anyone experienced this before?

[Mark88 183]

Read the instructions or call the embassy: It's 3x

[together2USA 0]

Another person had a similar situation. If you have assets, you need to verify what you have. If you have property, it must be appraised by a licensed appraiser.

http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-864instr.pdf

Read the section concerning requirements...

Best of luck!

Thanks Ed and Gina Is It possible for me to talk to the person you said had a similar situation? I really need some advice or at least somebody to talk with lol

Anyway I've about $75,000 in US bank account and also a little piece of land. That's all I got. Would it be enough?

PS. For some reason I couldn't read the link you gave me...

Read the instructions or call the embassy: It's 3x

Thank you Mark88

[Ed and Gina 45]

If you have land...get it appraised. That with $75K should do it, I think. Someone else here is likely to have more info...

The links, for some reason, don't always stick...don't know why...

Go to the USCIS site, go to the "what are you looking for?" type in I-864...that will take you to the form and instructions...in the instructions, it will explain what you need.

Good Luck!!

[Mark88 183]

If you have land...get it appraised. That with $75K should do it, I think. Someone else here is likely to have more info...

The links, for some reason, don't always stick...don't know why...

Go to the USCIS site, go to the "what are you looking for?" type in I-864...that will take you to the form and instructions...in the instructions, it will explain what you need.

Good Luck!!

The 75K alone will do it. You do not need to spend extra money on an appraisal.

19662x3=58,986

http://www.uscis.gov/i-864p

[together2USA 0]

If you have land...get it appraised. That with $75K should do it, I think. Someone else here is likely to have more info...

The links, for some reason, don't always stick...don't know why...

Go to the USCIS site, go to the "what are you looking for?" type in I-864...that will take you to the form and instructions...in the instructions, it will explain what you need.

Good Luck!!

Thank you so much Ed and Gina.

The 75K alone will do it. You do not need to spend extra money on an appraisal.

19662x3=58,986

http://www.uscis.gov/i-864p

Thank you so so much Mark88.

[Ning 619]

Hi there,

I really need help!!!!!! I'm a US citizen who live in Thailand for the past 9 mths. I don't earn enough income to sponsor my husband. I couldn't find a co-sponsor. We plan to apply for CR1 DCF.

I want to use my Assets to sponsor him. How much do I need to show? (Some people say 3x, some say 5x. Do they require 5x in Thailand?) Has anyone experienced using Assets as Affidavit of support filing with the USCIS in Bangkok for CR1? Any advice would be much appreciated!!!!!

Your assets will help but what will you tell the embassy about your plans to relocate to the USA including a place to live, job ect? They will certainly be asking. I suggest you write out a simple basic plan spanning at least 6 months.

[jerod_gavel 16]

Looks like it removed the website location.

Here is a way to figure it out.

125% poverty guidelines - Current income = x

multiply x times 3 (for spouse or child)

Note: any liens must be subtracted, and all depreciation must be accounted for in the documentation.

Edited August 25, 2014 by jerod_gavel

[Christi85 86]

Yes, the rule is x3 for USC spouses. A word of caution though:

When my husband and I were doing DCF for me in London back in 2011, we had over $80K in assets (some in the US, some in our UK back account). The interviewer at the Embassy was still not happy for whatever reason, even though we had more than enough and well documented. She somehow didn't like that my husband wasn't US domiciled and didn't seem to care about the 'intent to re-establish domicile' proof that I had brought. At one point she told me I'd need to go back if I couldn't prove that at that time. Luckily, my MIL who was based in the US had signed co-sponsor paperwork for us, so I submitted those and that did the trick - I guess my husband's domicile somehow became less relevant after that. She was a young Officer, so I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't know the rules all that well, as proving income and proving domicile are two different matters in my book, but the problem is - you rely on those Officers to get you through and approve you.

My point is: try to have all bases covered if you can, as you never know what your IO may or may not like. If there's any chance you can find a US-based co-sponsor, get one - they may come in handy for their income or their domicile, or both. I won't go as far as suggest that you go back to the US ahead of your spouse to establish domicile and find a job to prove US income, but some people have been asked to do exactly that and have had to do so in order to have their spouse approved. This is relatively rare, but it has happened before. I'm not saying all this to scare you or worry you, I'm just saying you need to be prepared for everything, based on my personal experience (you can click on my Timeline for a review of that DCF interview back in '11 - an otherwise very smooth experience). Most likely you'll be fine with just proof of your assets, but if there's any chance you can do anything else to strengthen your case, by all means do so. Best of luck!

Edited August 25, 2014 by Christi85

[together2USA 0]

Your assets will help but what will you tell the embassy about your plans to relocate to the USA including a place to live, job ect? They will certainly be asking. I suggest you write out a simple basic plan spanning at least 6 months.

Thank you so much for your reply Ning. I got an invitation letter from my friend to stay at her place while we try to get a job. I was wonder If we really need to stay there at all? We prefer to get our own place. Also a job offer letter that my friend will write for me. Do you know how many pages do I need to write a basic plan for? I've no idea what to write besides try to find a job and a place to stay lol

[together2USA 0]

Looks like it removed the website location.

Here is a way to figure it out.

125% poverty guidelines - Current income = x

multiply x times 3 (for spouse or child)

Note: any liens must be subtracted, and all depreciation must be accounted for in the documentation.

Thanks Jerod_gavel

[together2USA 0]

Yes, the rule is x3 for USC spouses. A word of caution though:

When my husband and I were doing DCF for me in London back in 2011, we had over $80K in assets (some in the US, some in our UK back account). The interviewer at the Embassy was still not happy for whatever reason, even though we had more than enough and well documented. She somehow didn't like that my husband wasn't US domiciled and didn't seem to care about the 'intent to re-establish domicile' proof that I had brought. At one point she told me I'd need to go back if I couldn't prove that at that time. Luckily, my MIL who was based in the US had signed co-sponsor paperwork for us, so I submitted those and that did the trick - I guess my husband's domicile somehow became less relevant after that. She was a young Officer, so I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't know the rules all that well, as proving income and proving domicile are two different matters in my book, but the problem is - you rely on those Officers to get you through and approve you.

My point is: try to have all bases covered if you can, as you never know what your IO may or may not like. If there's any chance you can find a US-based co-sponsor, get one - they may come in handy for their income or their domicile, or both. I won't go as far as suggest that you go back to the US ahead of your spouse to establish domicile and find a job to prove US income, but some people have been asked to do exactly that and have had to do so in order to have their spouse approved. This is relatively rare, but it has happened before. I'm not saying all this to scare you or worry you, I'm just saying you need to be prepared for everything, based on my personal experience (you can click on my Timeline for a review of that DCF interview back in '11 - an otherwise very smooth experience). Most likely you'll be fine with just proof of your assets, but if there's any chance you can do anything else to strengthen your case, by all means do so. Best of luck!

Thanks so much Christi85. I'm not sure Is that the reason why the lawyer told us that we need 5x instead of 3x or not. (I thought may be they require more in Thailand.)

To tell you the true, I know that our case won't be that easy. I just hope that we present ourself good enough for them to prove our case.

At first I was very worry about our case because I was reading somewhere online and they said that If you don't have a job or a steady income from other sources (such as retirement income), you will likely have to get a co-sponsor for your spouse, even if your assets are adequate. The USCIS looks very closely at current income and not just the assets I hope this is not true.

About the co-sponsor, I thought I got one til I found out that this year he didn't make enough income. If I can just show tax transcript, we'll be just fine lol I'll keep looking just incase, but so far I didn't have any luck. Could you pls tell me how long USCIS will need to prove for US income? (In case of people who need to go back to US to find a job.) I just want to be prepared for everything.

Thank you all again for helping us out. You guys are awesome